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Post by johnc on Oct 12, 2021 8:40:45 GMT
What are people's thoughts on how a superstar should act in public - do they deserve complete anonymity or do they have a responsibility that comes with their very privileged position?
I ask because my sister in law is currently on holiday in Marbella with her two children. At dinner on Sunday night her son, who is 10 noticed Erling Haaland of Borussia Dortmund at a nearby table. My nephew wanted to go over and ask for a selfie but my Sister in law wouldn't let him until Haaland had finished eating. When Haaland had finished my nephew went over to Haaland and asked politely if he could have a selfie with him at which point Haaland said in a loud and aggressive tone "No go away, I am having my dinner"
That left a very polite 10 year old in tears and quite a few of the other diners commented to my Sister in law that Haaland was out of order. I feel very sorry for my nephew who is sport daft.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 12, 2021 9:07:38 GMT
Footballers aren't the brightest, If they think they get paid 100k a week for kicking a ball around the field they are very much mistaken. Take away the audience and they are no more then fancy Sunday leaguers. They might not like it but for the money they earn its a full time job 24/7, even when your on holiday or eating in restaurant in Marbella. Do you thin k Tom Cruise wants to hang out talking to everyone he meets for hours on end each day, no chance but he understands that being in your 50's with fading looks you need to work a little harder to be loved.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 12, 2021 9:21:14 GMT
"Superstars" are entitled to eat out in relative peace, just like the rest of us. However, the caveat (for me) is, once you've finished, and clearly seen to be so, you're then fair game for fans to approach you.
If you really don't want to sign a wee boys' autograph book, be nice about it FFS! It's not rocket science.
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Post by garry on Oct 12, 2021 9:23:29 GMT
It would have been as quick and easy to be nice to your nephew as it was to be nasty. Celebrity or not, I’ve got no time for anyone who thinks they can treat other people without respect.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 12, 2021 9:44:51 GMT
Bang out of order, to use the parlance. I get that you want privacy etc. but there is an expectation that you “belong” to the wider public, because as said above without them you’re just some person, and probably not able to be in that establishment if you weren’t famous! If you want a good example, what Southgate has done with England football (sorry John) is drill into the youngsters how lucky they are and what it means to be where they are. I was at a dinner when he made this point as U21 boss and he’s carried that through to the senior team. Compare this with the “wag” era and superstar players that hogged headlines as individuals and you can see where behaviour and performance on the pitch become intertwined. Haarland is going to end up in a shithole club anyway so no loss for your nephew.
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Post by Alex on Oct 12, 2021 9:55:08 GMT
There is an element here that anyone, superstar or otherwise, deserves a level of privacy and to be able to do some of the more mundane things of life. But a simple fact is that if you become a superstar you have to accept that your wealth comes from having fans. Therefore if you go outside amongst the public you have to expect some attention. In this instance it could be argued that Haaland had a responsibility to at the very least be polite about it and if he didn't want a selfie to let him down gently. Instead he not only upset a young fan but also showed himself up in front of many other members of the public who may be much less likely to spend their money following his team in future.
But it should also be remembered that Haaland is a young player who has only come to the publics attention very recently and may still he coming to terms with his fame. What I think a lot of football clubs and record labels etc are very poor at is giving suitable guidance to young stars on how to deal with their fame. We take it for granted that we can pop to the shops or have a meal without being bothered by all and sundry or constantly photographed. Your nephew might have been perfectly polite but Haaland might have just had to eat his dinner whilst constantly seeing people very unsubtly takin out their phones and pointing them in his direction. Your nephew actually approaching him may have been the final straw. But this is where he needs to be supported in dealing with his new found loss of freedom.
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Post by alf on Oct 12, 2021 10:41:31 GMT
I feel less sorry for people like sports and film stars as time goes on, to be honest. In say tennis its easy to feel sorry for the being interviewed when they have just lost a match - then you see how much they are paid, and realise that - as people have said here - this side of things is what they are paid for, not just batting a ball about.
With the spectacular earnings of top sports stars, they can have privacy when they want it, the rest of the time they can work on being nice, and being role models, as that is far more likely to give them a longer career. If they are unpleasant little brats, they potentially will spend the majority of their life unemployed and wishing people cared who they were, as sports - and music/film - can be a short career.
Personally I have no interest in selfies and so on and just leave these people be when I see them - but I can understand young people getting excited, and they should feed that excitement if they know what is good for them...
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 12, 2021 11:19:23 GMT
What are people's thoughts on how a superstar should act in public - do they deserve complete anonymity or do they have a responsibility that comes with their very privileged position? The latter although I guess it takes time to get used to. Most celebs I've encountered by chance have been charming. Michael York particularly spring to mind. I was introduced to him at a drinks reception years ago. Obviously he's a very distinguished actor, but it was around the time of his role as Basil Exposition in the Austin Powers films so I couldn't resist making some oblique Austin Powers reference or other, which he could have found tedious. But he just grinned broadly and said, with perfect in-character delivery, "oh behave!" which reduced everyone present to giggles.
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Post by Blarno on Oct 12, 2021 11:28:50 GMT
It's a double edged sword really. On the one hand you are viewed as public property (because they effectively pay your wages), but on the other hand you are your own person. I would struggle with the idea of having to act a certain way in public because it was expected of me - I'm a bit of a dick who likes to do things his own way and fuck what everyone else thinks. I almost feel sorry for well paid sportsmen and women, because they are basically puppets: They must wear certain clothing, drink certain drinks, drive certain cars and behave in a manner controlled by someone other than your own mind. Unless you are Kimi Raikonnen of course, that dude pretty much does as he pleases. That's not living, that's just existing.
Look at Lewis Hamilton, he's pretty much a walking talking clothes horse, to the point where any personality he may have had has been pushed aside by the person he has been moulded into.
Back to the OP. Footy player is a dick. It costs nothing to politely ask to be left alone.
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Post by Alex on Oct 12, 2021 12:49:22 GMT
Looking at Lewis Hamiltons outfits this year I'd say he is actually expressing himself much more than most sportspeople who turn up to events in their official team clothing. His fashion sense is a bit dodgy admittedly but he does actually wear what he wants and the point of him going to the Met Ball recently was not because he was paid by a big designer to do so but he paid for a table and chose young black designers to join him, one of whom made his outfit. He is perhaps an example of a seasoned sportsman who does all the corporate bullshit he needs to but finds ways to live his own life away from the sport.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 12, 2021 13:13:34 GMT
There is an element here that anyone, superstar or otherwise, deserves a level of privacy and to be able to do some of the more mundane things of life. But a simple fact is that if you become a superstar you have to accept that your wealth comes from having fans. Therefore if you go outside amongst the public you have to expect some attention. In this instance it could be argued that Haaland had a responsibility to at the very least be polite about it and if he didn't want a selfie to let him down gently. Instead he not only upset a young fan but also showed himself up in front of many other members of the public who may be much less likely to spend their money following his team in future. But it should also be remembered that Haaland is a young player who has only come to the publics attention very recently and may still he coming to terms with his fame. What I think a lot of football clubs and record labels etc are very poor at is giving suitable guidance to young stars on how to deal with their fame. We take it for granted that we can pop to the shops or have a meal without being bothered by all and sundry or constantly photographed. Your nephew might have been perfectly polite but Haaland might have just had to eat his dinner whilst constantly seeing people very unsubtly takin out their phones and pointing them in his direction. Your nephew actually approaching him may have been the final straw. But this is where he needs to be supported in dealing with his new found loss of freedom. Or more likely he's just a spoilt plick. Maybe Roy Keane needs to go and have a word with him.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 12, 2021 13:25:37 GMT
Politeness and being civil costs nothing.
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Post by Alex on Oct 12, 2021 14:16:58 GMT
Politeness and being civil costs nothing. Agree but the point I was making was that he's being constantly pestered and having people point their smartphone at him and he's probably had enough. I'm sure most of us can be civil when we first get someone knocking on our door trying to flog us something but there's only so many double glazing salesmen you'll put up with before you resort to more colourful language when requesting they leave you alone. Is he being advised properly on how to deal with this and the negative consequences of telling kids to fuck off?
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 12, 2021 14:33:53 GMT
Politeness and being civil costs nothing. Agree but the point I was making was that he's being constantly pestered and having people point their smartphone at him and he's probably had enough. I'm sure most of us can be civil when we first get someone knocking on our door trying to flog us something but there's only so many double glazing salesmen you'll put up with before you resort to more colourful language when requesting they leave you alone. Is he being advised properly on how to deal with this and the negative consequences of telling kids to fuck off? But he's second generation footballer so he should have been schooled form an early age on what's expected of you as a professional. You don't need to be a superstar footballer, life's a choice, You can quite happily do as most of us working for the man for a crap wage but the ability to behave as I like when outside the office environment. You don't even have to be a famous footballer, plenty of employees of bankers, lawyers, politicians etc get the tin tak for embarrassing their employers outside of work. Its just the workings of the modern world. Footballers tend to be lucky that no matter how murky you are you'll find employment.
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Post by Blarno on Oct 12, 2021 15:07:00 GMT
Exactly. If I'm driving to or from work in my work gear, I will be civilised (to a point) with anyone, but when I'm in my civvies I'll kick yer mirrors off. Maybe.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 12, 2021 15:15:46 GMT
What are people's thoughts on how a superstar should act in public - do they deserve complete anonymity or do they have a responsibility that comes with their very privileged position? I would say a bit of both. You just have to be "about right" and be decent. I would think that applies to fans as well. That said, if he didn't want to be disturbed at that point he could have said he was finishing his dinner and to pop back over in x minutes, maybe.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 12, 2021 15:29:02 GMT
Politeness and being civil costs nothing. Agree but the point I was making was that he's being constantly pestered and having people point their smartphone at him and he's probably had enough. I'm sure most of us can be civil when we first get someone knocking on our door trying to flog us something but there's only so many double glazing salesmen you'll put up with before you resort to more colourful language when requesting they leave you alone. Is he being advised properly on how to deal with this and the negative consequences of telling kids to fuck off? That's one of the downsides that comes with his job which he is paid very handsomely for - he needs to learn to deal with it. I have no sympathy with him at all for acting like a prick towards a child. I don't like children, but I am always civil and polite to them. Having said that, Norwegians are not a naturally comfortable people in public according to a quick Google.
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Post by franki68 on Oct 12, 2021 15:54:40 GMT
A friend of mine saw teddy Sheringham out and about back in the days when he was a mufc player , he said something like ‘thanks for the memories teddy’ to which teddy sheringham told him to ‘fuck off ‘
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Post by Martin on Oct 12, 2021 15:57:53 GMT
I met Stuart Pearce when I was staying at St Georges Park, I was leaving the restaurant at breakfast time and walked past his table. I said hello as I caught myself looking directly at him and he said good morning. Didn't ask for a picture!
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 12, 2021 16:09:51 GMT
Pearce is old school. I’ve met him: more interested in talking about punk rock than footie. Had a disagreement with Souness about financial stability vs results (yes, it was about the Arsenal….) and later on he said that’s the beauty of debate: there’s no one view. I’ve met a fair few professional footballers through the Club and in my youth when I knew a few, but they’ve generally been from the pre- Anelka generation (I’ll choose him as a datum point as his career went wank when he realised he and his agent became the product above the team) so had a different perspective on life off the field.
Great documentary with Paul Merson on gambling last night, talking old skool. Filthy industry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 16:34:01 GMT
Much of the time these folk are massively hyped up, some of them believe it and go off the deep end when they do not get what they think they deserve. We all have the right to be left in peace but perhaps there needs to be a protocol to let general public know when to leave well alone. Kids will naturally be excited at seeing someone they know as 'famous' so perhaps a reduction in publicity will motivate the people being discussed to be more forthcoming and reasonable.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 12, 2021 17:53:52 GMT
It is odd though when you find yourself face to face with someone so very well-known that they are instantly recognisable and there is no point pretending that you don't know exactly who they are. I always find myself making an effort to be totally blasé about it as if I meet globally famous people on a daily basis and twice on Thursdays.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 12, 2021 20:22:07 GMT
My dad didn’t recognise Maggie Philbin and Cheggers as he checked me in for a flight to NYC when I was 13. Not generally unusual but he did work for the BBC at the time.
A couple of years later on a visit to London my step father was very agitated at the amount of attention one couple were getting in HMV as they purchased one single classical lp. My step father was holding several hundred pounds worth of rare stuff. A manager saw his face and called someone immediately. The couple were utterly unknown to him as he had no interest in anything outside of business and his hobbies (he was once seated next to Mika Hakkinen and told me he had dinner with “some boring Finn”) - it was Torville and Dean (I knew who it was) and pretty sure it was Balero they picked up.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 12, 2021 20:29:26 GMT
There is an element here that anyone, superstar or otherwise, deserves a level of privacy and to be able to do some of the more mundane things of life. But a simple fact is that if you become a superstar you have to accept that your wealth comes from having fans. Therefore if you go outside amongst the public you have to expect some attention. In this instance it could be argued that Haaland had a responsibility to at the very least be polite about it and if he didn't want a selfie to let him down gently. Instead he not only upset a young fan but also showed himself up in front of many other members of the public who may be much less likely to spend their money following his team in future. ^ This, plus if you are a "celebrity" surely you would book a private room if you didn't want to be disturbed by fans who recognise you? Slightly different circumstances, but this show you how to do it: .
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Post by franki68 on Oct 13, 2021 9:27:57 GMT
On the other hand ,the first time I went to the states I was 8 years old and a bloke called James hunt came down from first class and stood in economy with us peasants chatting to everyone for what seemed like almost the entire flight . And another gent …My mum sat next to Brian may on a flight from Heathrow to Manchester ,they were delayed for an hour and she chatted to him the entire time ,said he was absolutely lovely and she managed to completely forgot to get his autograph for me .
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 13, 2021 10:32:58 GMT
Those are quality encounters.
I've flown a lot in my life and the only time I've sat next to anyone even remotely famous on a plane was oddly enough also on a delayed flight - it was from London City to Zurich and (very unusually) delayed by snow at City airport, and the person in question was Carol Thatcher, daughter of you know who. She was very chatty as we sat there waiting for the plane to be de-iced and rather fun, but clearly slightly bonkers and wearing some sort of enormous bright patchwork poncho more suited to riding a llama through the high Andes than a flight to Switzerland.
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Post by Tim on Oct 13, 2021 11:06:25 GMT
I once saw Magnus Magnusson having a coffee at Waverley Station. That must be about 30 years ago, pre-smartphone, and nobody was bothering him for a chat or autograph let alone a selfie.
Can't think of anyone else famous I've seen apart from sports people slightly removed at relevant events, e.g. Nick Faldo (he was a golfist) walking on the path to the beach at St Andrews during The Open. Or David Richards wandering round the spectator bits of the circuit at Donnington during some car race.
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Post by bryan on Oct 13, 2021 11:22:39 GMT
Rachel Johnson sat in the row behind us on a flight to Nice once.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 13, 2021 11:42:20 GMT
I once saw Magnus Magnusson having a coffee at Waverley Station. That must be about 30 years ago, pre-smartphone, and nobody was bothering him for a chat or autograph let alone a selfie. Can't think of anyone else famous I've seen apart from sports people slightly removed at relevant events, e.g. Nick Faldo (he was a golfist) walking on the path to the beach at St Andrews during The Open. Or David Richards wandering round the spectator bits of the circuit at Donnington during some car race. He used to live not far from where I grew up, and we'd see him round and about quite often. Never really gave it much thought at the time I must be honest, being nowt but a lad! In fact, he's buried less than 10 miles from where I'm sitting as I type this.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 13, 2021 11:52:27 GMT
My next door neighbour is Jonny Wilkinson's brother. Jonny comes round quite regularly if he's not in France and we chat a bit as he kicks the ball around with his niece and nephew - funnily enough never about rugby, which I don't have much interest in. Very down to earth and just drives a oldish bog standard A3 - although I think that is a family car he keep over here at the family farm.
Years ago I had a friend who was the spitting image of Ian McShane (Lovejoy) and was so regularly mistaken for him (usually by attractive young women) that we ended up just telling bouncers on club doors it was him, copping the VIP area, and posing for photos as requested. So I'm well used to the travails of fame and fortune...
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