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Post by alf on Sept 13, 2021 10:00:42 GMT
I had a trip into London yesterday, to see a friend of Tina's (and to drive back out with her, buy a TV, and set it up - none of her friends - all being business types - are shy of asking for help). It meant a lot of criss-crossing the place to Kensington high street from somewhere on the river near Battersea. The actual flat, right on the river, was lovely - but driving in London is bloody insane if you are not used to it. I've done a bit of it, and deal better with it than I used to, but it was the usual craziness of cyclists turning right without looking, cars doing 3 point turns on main roads, and so on.
Anyway what got me the most was one of those long spiral car park entries/exits, at the Royal Garden Hotel on high street Ken. I have never, ever seen anything like it in terms of how tight it was, and once you are into it, you have no options. It went on forever, not only was I convinced I had kerbed wheels (expensive, forged ones...) but the corners of the car were incredibly close to the walls of the thing. Effing terrifying, I can admit. I bloody hate old school multi storeys with narrow lanes and massive high kerbs, and occasional corners that seem impossible to negotiate without clouting a rear wheel. Give me oversteer out of a high speed bend in the wet over this any day!
What gets you sweaty in a not-good way, when driving???
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Post by Martin on Sept 13, 2021 10:16:27 GMT
I'm fine in City driving even in the Family Truck and having driven in Thailand and Malaysia, London is quite tame as even the cyclists have nothing on Thai moped riders which are often 3-4 up and I've had someone fall off right in front of me as he was chatting to someone and hit a pothole..... I'm with you on multi-story carparks. They're fine in the Golf so if I know for sure I'm going to have to park in an old one then I'll try and take that. The 7 series was really difficult in some, despite the 3d / Surround cameras, the worst one was Watford where I used to have to visit regularly, there was a section that was impossible to get around in one go.... The width of my current car makes things difficult but the cameras are better because there's one that shows both front wheels, but I parked in the centre of Chester last Wednesday and that was a stressful experience, thankfully the kerb had a soft edge on the top as I quickly realised there was no way I was getting in without putting a wheel up on it. The worst one I've even been in was under a hotel next to the Eiffel Tower. It wasn't designed for cars as big as a 5 series, getting in wasn't too bad, but there were gaps with concrete pillars either side that I had to fold the mirrors in to get through and a couple of times I had to do a multi-point manoeuvre to get lined up. Not the clearest picture, but this is the camera view of the front wheels. There's a similar one in the off road menu which has the screen split into 3, wheel either side and a forward view in the middle, that's pretty useful as well.
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Post by Tim on Sept 13, 2021 10:25:16 GMT
There's a carpark in Dundee that has one of those tight spirals (the Wellgate Centre one) and last time I was in it was about 25 years ago in an MG Maestro - a small car by modern standards but still too big to feel comfortable on the ramp.
Another carpark that gets me tense is Edinburgh Airport - I'm not there often but there's just so much concrete with ill-defined lanes and poor signage (much of it painted on the road) that I'm always fearful I'll end up in the wrong section and end up paying an absolute fortune for my stay.
I used to drive in London quite often in the late 80s/early 90s and it never bothered me, in fact the combative nature of some of the driving was almost enjoyable. I'm sure I wouldn't feel like that now.
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Post by PetrolEd on Sept 13, 2021 10:38:54 GMT
About 10 years ago I drove into central London everyday with offices in Bayswater, Soho and the Barbican.
Never had issues with other car users as there's a mutual respect thing going on. Motorcyclists used to love darting between lanes and would often get the arse if you didn't clear out of their way quick enough. Be prepared for taxis to perform the emergency uturn without warning at the prospect of a fare but to be fair you expect that from a black cab. This was Pre Uber days so I imagine that adds another dimension.
Buses were a complete arse as they run on the rules of I'm bigger then you therefore don't mind squashing you. I assumed TFL expected a certain number of accidents per driver so the drivers didn't care. Cyclist however were a scary bunch. If you went up the Bayswater road at 8am it was like a scene from the Tour de France. Stop at a traffic light and suddenly you were swapped by Lycra dudes looking like Alistair Brownlee. No rules, no awareness of other road users and really didn't seem to care if they ended up squashed.
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Post by Boxer6 on Sept 13, 2021 10:43:45 GMT
The nice thing about the Skoda is, I don't worry at all about parking it, taking it into multi-storeys etc. What scares me these days isn't a "still", but rather a newer phenomenon; part-time bus lanes. There are laods of these in and around the area where I work, one of which I have to use pretty regularly. Outside of operational hours, namely 07:00-09:30 and 16:00-19:00, the road is a normal, two-lane road heading towards the motorway. Thus, I tend to kepe in the left-hand (bus) lane as I'm going to be turning left at the end, but SO many folk treat it like a bus lane ALL the time, I fear I'm going to get side-swiped one fine day. There's another one which only recently was made similar, plus that one has one of GCC's lovely new cycle lanes along part of it too - a complete and utter fright-fest of a road!
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Post by chipbutty on Sept 13, 2021 11:12:34 GMT
Other people
Sunday morning, very early and I was behind someone on a B road in a Hyundai SUV and as soon as they saw me, they put the hammer down (as much as it is possible to put the hammer down in a Hyundai SUV). Unfortunately, they clearly don’t use that hammer very often as they could not keep the car on their side of the road and one particular left hand blind bend they straddled the white lines and almost took out a fiesta on the other side.
As well as witnessing varying levels of corner taking nob-ishness, a few months ago I saw an MX-5 go for a overtake where the vehicle on the other side of the road had to do a full emergency stop to avoid an impact. What possessed this individual to make such a blatant “ not going to happen " overtake just before we trundled into a 30 limit is beyond my powers of reasoning – especially when they car they overtook was barely any slower than the speed limit and post 30 mph limit, the Mazda never went above the speed limit.
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Post by LandieMark on Sept 13, 2021 11:18:26 GMT
People cutting blind corners on the roads near me. I've already been hit head on back in 2016 and I am cautious when leaving the village and I see another car appear half on my side of the road around a corner.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 13, 2021 11:28:54 GMT
Not a lot but I agree on the multi-storey carparks - you'd think the one at Heathrow T5 would be ok as (a) it is modern and (b) lots of S-class type cars going in and out to do airport transfers. But no, the spirals are awful. Although not as bad as the ones in a multi-storey I parked at in the middle of Cambridge a couple of months ago.
I'm just back from a 3,700 mile trek down as far as Sorrento and back, so feeling fairly "back in the saddle" driving-wise. Drove from Lugano to London on my own yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 11:48:19 GMT
People with a phone stuck to their heads. Walkers, cyclists, drivers the lot. Red light ignorants. Drivers who cannot or will not do so properly where pedestrians have right of way. Crossing the road is a chance you take all the time but we drivers MUST be aware that pedestrians exist and looking right at a roundabout and ignoring the human being crossing the road on their left is far too common. Be aware also that the person in front who has stopped for someone crossing cannot be taken as an obstruction and overtaken. It can kill. I agree that cyclists have a right to be on the road but cutting up and down a line of traffic has a good chance of ending with a jam smeared road.
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 13, 2021 12:07:23 GMT
Drivers around Preston. Every single time I drive on the section of M6 around Preston I see the most dangerous and knobbish driving of the whole of my journey and this morning was no different. Tailgating, lane weaving and undertaking, two or three cars clearly racing each other. Every. Single. Time. I drive around Preston.
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Post by Alex on Sept 13, 2021 12:32:08 GMT
There was one car park I went into a while back that had multi coloured paint scrapings around the ramp and, no word of a lie, an advert placed at the end from a local bodyshop! I'm usually OK with these but so often you have to rely on trying your best to look at the edges of the bonnet because the parking sensors will be on a continuous beep when you're still a foot away.
For me the car parks that I find most hairy are those underneath office buildings that are so tight it's nigh on impossible to maneuver. I was in one in Birmingham the other week where all the pillars were right at the ends of the spaces. Fortunately I found a pair of empty spaces which meant I was able to use on to aid reversing in to the other. The positioning of the wall opposite the spaces would have meant this would not have been possible if the space was occupied. When I got back to the car it was occupied by an Audi that had driven in forwards and I'm glad I was facing out of the space as there's no way when reversing that I'd be able to start turning the wheels until I was clear of the car and pillar at which point I'd almost be hitting the wall!
Driving into Central London is indeed a nightmare and I do my best to avoid it whenever possible (which is most of the times). Only real scary moment came last year when I turned onto Park Lane one for traffic to come to a standstill as the BLM protest came streaming down the road. Being a white man I just sat there hoping no-one managed to upset the crowd!
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 13, 2021 12:48:12 GMT
The driving on the South Circular at gone 10pm last night through Catford and that sort of area was quite special. I saw several instances of terrible driving - in particular, on one sharp uphill bend, an elderly Corolla Verso coming down the hill the other way completely misjudged it and nearly took out the Prius in front of me, an Uber who mercifully managed to take evasive action without losing control. Then at another point, we all stopped because someone two cars ahead had stuffed their Astra into the back of the BMW in front of them. It wasn't a major bump but it clearly did not occur to any of those involved to move their dispute to the side of the road.
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Post by Ben on Sept 13, 2021 12:53:55 GMT
Tight carparks are nerve-wracking but I wouldn't say I'm scared of them. More annoyed and irritated by their design. I've actually driven on one of the World's Most Dangerous Roads (according to the BBC) in Vietnam, and it was quite a white knuckle experience. Imagine a narrow single lane mountain road with steep drop offs and trucks appearing out of nowhere at random. Plus it was raining too, just to spice things up. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l3bg9
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 13, 2021 13:20:45 GMT
this is what scares me more than anything. I know what my limitations are, those of whatever vehicle I’m in command of and the effect of the road conditions but it appears to me that I am in the complete minority. Driving in and around London has one positive effect: there is no such thing as a traffic jam almost anywhere else you go even if the locals claim there is one.
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Post by Tim on Sept 13, 2021 13:58:34 GMT
Yeah, other people is the real concern. It was bad enough with seeing how many folk are clearly using their phone on the move but for some reason Covid has added a level of optimism into peoples driving that more often than in the past is breathtaking. I've seen more overtakes on the approach to bends and summits in the past 18 months than I have in the whole of my driving career up to that point.
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 13, 2021 17:43:35 GMT
Drivers around Preston. Every single time I drive on the section of M6 around Preston I see the most dangerous and knobbish driving of the whole of my journey and this morning was no different. Tailgating, lane weaving and undertaking, two or three cars clearly racing each other. Every. Single. Time. I drive around Preston. Yup. It was exactly the same coming back this afternoon.
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Post by LandieMark on Sept 13, 2021 18:40:29 GMT
I find the M6 South of lakes just as you describe and all of the motorways around Manchester and Leeds the same.
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Post by PG on Sept 13, 2021 19:00:15 GMT
...For me the car parks that I find most hairy are those underneath office buildings that are so tight it's nigh on impossible to maneuver. ... And they are even worse if they have lights that only come on when you are moving and even then give out as much light as a candle. Including those under apartment blocks as well, as my ability to cave in the rear end of a hired Fiat 500 a couple of years ago proved. I got used to driving in London when I lived there. I think not knowing where you are going in a busy city is still scary, especially as you can easily end up in the wrong lane and / or ,of course, a bus lane.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 13, 2021 20:57:48 GMT
Red-light runners, seems to be more and more of them these days. Came across another one earlier today, black 3-series jumped the lights by many seconds. Fortunately the car next to me, and me, were not quick off the mark when "our" light went green; Poor lane discipline on roundabouts, more and more people "straight-line" them rather than taking the correct curved route.
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Post by rodge on Sept 14, 2021 2:37:43 GMT
Other road users especially in California where I often have to thread the needle. Cyclists here use the side of the road and regularly go against the traffic, so you’re faced with a vehicle on your left that’s coming towards you and a cyclist on the right, also coming towards you. Happened this morning and it’s one of those things I really dislike.
Another one happened a few months ago when I was driving at night in the X5- a car that has bright headlights- on a freeway and tooo my exit and Mrs. R asked me if I saw the person on the road. Apparently there was someone on the hatching, walking in the dark. I didn’t even see them and that scared me. Both the fact that they were where they shouldn’t and that I didn’t see them at all.
And finally large truck drivers who start swaying when I’m overtaking them on a highway/ interstate. That’s not a fun one either.
And a common one in America, people who don’t know how to use roundabouts. They stop on the roundabout and let the traffic out in front of them, I was a passenger in a car that did this and it terrified me.
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Post by alf on Sept 14, 2021 8:51:12 GMT
People cutting blind corners on the roads near me. I've already been hit head on back in 2016 and I am cautious when leaving the village and I see another car appear half on my side of the road around a corner. Yes I'm with you on that. The car park fear is one of expense only, on singletrack country roads with no visibility I'm always wary of the "couldn't possibly be someone coming the other way" brigade, and before I had dashcams in my cars I was worried that even if I stopped well before they piled into me, it would still be seen as a 50/50 when the other side made up their story. Of course the hassle, expense, and potential injury of an accident makes it highly unpleasant whoever's fault it was. Some people - including some friends of mine - just hammer down singletrack country lanes like they own the place. As a cyclist you always see some special driving on country lanes - a lot of cars will just come past you on a bend, with zero visibility - more often than not fairly slow drivers just continuing like nothing has happened. On the occasion someone then comes the other way, it gets exciting fitting two cars and a bike into a tiny lane.... Funnily enough, when I come up behind a bike I do their speed until I can see, and don't moan about it - my trips are rarely mission-critical to the second...
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Post by LandieMark on Sept 14, 2021 10:34:27 GMT
People cutting blind corners on the roads near me. I've already been hit head on back in 2016 and I am cautious when leaving the village and I see another car appear half on my side of the road around a corner. Yes I'm with you on that. The car park fear is one of expense only, on singletrack country roads with no visibility I'm always wary of the "couldn't possibly be someone coming the other way" brigade, and before I had dashcams in my cars I was worried that even if I stopped well before they piled into me, it would still be seen as a 50/50 when the other side made up their story. Of course the hassle, expense, and potential injury of an accident makes it highly unpleasant whoever's fault it was. Some people - including some friends of mine - just hammer down singletrack country lanes like they own the place. As a cyclist you always see some special driving on country lanes - a lot of cars will just come past you on a bend, with zero visibility - more often than not fairly slow drivers just continuing like nothing has happened. On the occasion someone then comes the other way, it gets exciting fitting two cars and a bike into a tiny lane.... Funnily enough, when I come up behind a bike I do their speed until I can see, and don't moan about it - my trips are rarely mission-critical to the second... It is the main reason I have a dash cam - I don't fancy arguing the toss as to whose fault it was. It was clear cut with my accident as it was a warm day and the tyre treads on the road clearly showed he was on my side. I have front and rear on the truck and Discovery. I really need to get one fitted in the MX-5. I've never been that worried about car parks other than numpty parking by others.
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Post by Blarno on Sept 14, 2021 12:19:18 GMT
The M6. Specifically, any of the new "smart" sections. It doesn't scare me, just fills me with a "Not this fucking shite again" feeling.
Definitely other people, especially when they are on the aforementioned stretch of motorway and especially when they are members of either:
1 - This is my lane and I'm not deviating from it crew.
2 - I'm incapable of keeping a steady speed and if you pass me I will just move back out, go past, then move back in posse.
3 - Drive too close to the car in front and shit my pants and brake at every opportunity collective.
4 - Refuse to overtake any emergency vehicle even if they're doing under the speed limit and it is safe and legal to do so conglomerate.
5 - All of the above partnership.
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Post by Blarno on Sept 14, 2021 12:22:07 GMT
Group 3 also includes those who brake as soon as they see a matrix sign, regardless of what it says.
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Post by Alex on Sept 14, 2021 12:27:58 GMT
Back when I was a slightly less mature driver, I used to play a game with my fellow company cars drivers where we would try to orbit middle lane hogs. Pull out from lane 1 to 3, overtake, back to lane one and slow down so they overtake, repeat until they realise what you're up to. One of my colleagues reckoned he managed 7 full orbits but I'm calling BS on that!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 12:29:03 GMT
I'll add tailgaters to my list. If I am doing the posted limit, what makes them think being up my chuff will make me go faster?
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Post by Alex on Sept 14, 2021 12:31:32 GMT
I'll add tailgaters to my list. If I am doing the posted limit, what makes them think being up my chuff will make me go faster? Even more so on motorways when they somehow expect you to be able to magic the cars in front out of the way too! Had a knob in an Audi the other week on the M4 race up behind me flashing his lights when I was in a queue of 5 cars getting past a pair of HGVs who'd created a road block in lane 1 & 2. Was he somehow suggesting we all move out of his way?
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Post by Boxer6 on Sept 14, 2021 13:43:27 GMT
I'll add tailgaters to my list. If I am doing the posted limit, what makes them think being up my chuff will make me go faster? Even more so on motorways when they somehow expect you to be able to magic the cars in front out of the way too! Had a knob in an Audi the other week on the M4 race up behind me flashing his lights when I was in a queue of 5 cars getting past a pair of HGVs who'd created a road block in lane 1 & 2. Was he somehow suggesting we all move out of his way? That's the type who will get a middle-finger salute from me, every time!
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Post by Alex on Sept 14, 2021 13:54:10 GMT
I take the approach of completing my overtake a bit slower then normal, applying left indicator on full and moving left as slowly as possible taking a full passive aggressive approach 😀
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 14, 2021 16:28:55 GMT
I take the approach of completing my overtake a bit slower then normal, applying left indicator on full and moving left as slowly as possible taking a full passive aggressive approach 😀 That is exactly what I did to the knob in the 3 Series M somethingorother on the M40 yesterday.
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