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Post by chipbutty on Apr 14, 2021 19:56:14 GMT
Mk8 Golf R tested in Autocar
1520 kilos as tested, 316 bhp and 310 lbs ft
0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds
0 to 100 in 10.3 seconds
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That collection of numbers is just not possible, has the cheaty fairy been pissing about with the press cars again ?
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Post by Martin on Apr 14, 2021 20:02:50 GMT
Mk8 Golf R tested in Autocar 1520 kilos as tested, 316 bhp and 310 lbs ft 0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds 0 to 100 in 10.3 seconds đ§ đ§ That collection of numbers is just not possible, has the cheaty fairy been pissing about with the press cars again ? Itâs not just press cars, there are a couple of drag races on YouTube with customer cars that are very surprising. It seems to be down to it being amazing at getting off the line, as it doesnât have the same advantage over other other similarly powered cars once up and running.
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Post by chipbutty on Apr 14, 2021 20:14:38 GMT
That would seem plausible if not for the fact it does 60 to 100 mph in just 5.9 seconds.
Any launch advantage is generally exposed via the 60 to 100 time, but not in this case, 5.9 seconds is properly fast.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 14, 2021 20:56:12 GMT
Iâm guessing itâs more like 350bhp but the numbers all seem rather pointless. The new R holds zero appeal to me. One for the YouTubers , Too expensive, too bland and with an interior I really donât like.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 14, 2021 20:56:56 GMT
That does seem a touch eyebrow-raising.
If true, then shame it's such a dire, white goods bit of design. I've always liked a Golf - I've had about eight or so in my time and the go-faster ones have always managed to look spot-on. But here no amount of ze old schporty schpice schprinkling is enough to overcome such a pudding of a basic design.
This reminds me of the very tidy blue 53-plate R32 3dr (the lantern-jawed original) that passed us on the North Circular on Sunday evening. Saw it coming in my rear view mirror - steadily gaining at just a little over the limit.
The driver was quite a surprise - an older and apparently very small Asian lady with sizeable chemistry teacher-type glasses and her hair in a bun, who frankly could only just see over the steering wheel. From the very relaxed way she was cruising along and original dealer plates, I'd say her car and possibly from new.
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Post by Martin on Apr 14, 2021 21:15:09 GMT
I donât have any interest in getting an 8R. From what Iâve read/seen, itâs very good to drive but the styling and interior kill it for me.
The higher list price is helping boost values of the 7.5R, particularly the slightly more powerful pre GPF cars like ours, which would retail for at least 75% of the price we paid nearly 3 years ago, which is amazing. The market isn't wrong, itâs a very good car.
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Post by garry on Apr 15, 2021 6:25:12 GMT
The Carwow YouTube channel has a golf r doing 0-60 in 4.03 seconds and a 12.44 qtr mile. The video shows it getting off the line incredibly well. Have to say Iâm not offended by its looks. As a package itâs very impressive.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 15, 2021 8:51:49 GMT
The Carwow YouTube channel has a golf r doing 0-60 in 4.03 seconds and a 12.44 qtr mile. The video shows it getting off the line incredibly well. Have to say Iâm not offended by its looks. As a package itâs very impressive. And this is why its very odd I have no interest in this car at all. I use to be a serial Golf buyer and have had Mk2, MK3, Mk5 and Mk6 GTis in the past and found the Mk7 R equally appealing. I guess its this latest fashion of just chucking power at cars to get the headlines rather then instilling them with any character.
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Post by Tim on Apr 15, 2021 9:04:15 GMT
The Carwow YouTube channel has a golf r doing 0-60 in 4.03 seconds and a 12.44 qtr mile. The video shows it getting off the line incredibly well. Have to say Iâm not offended by its looks. As a package itâs very impressive. And this is why its very odd I have no interest in this car at all. I use to be a serial Golf buyer and have had Mk2, MK3, Mk5 and Mk6 GTis in the past and found the Mk7 R equally appealing. I guess its this latest fashion of just chucking power at cars to get the headlines rather then instilling them with any character.
They're getting us ready for the world of electrification!
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Post by chipbutty on Apr 15, 2021 9:53:36 GMT
Maybe itâs because I am getting old and am slightly behind the times, but when I was a kid, anything that could reach 100mph in 10 seconds was otherworldly and that is still my benchmark that separates very quick cars from very fast ones.
V10 M5 and the XFR are 10 second cars, so a standard Golf R with a smidge over 300 bhp putting in similar times seems like witchcraft.
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Post by garry on Apr 15, 2021 10:13:57 GMT
Thereâs a YouTube video of Archie Hamilton dyno testing a factory standard R. He got 340bhp on the dyno.
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Post by garry on Apr 15, 2021 10:30:46 GMT
Maybe itâs because I am getting old and am slightly behind the times, but when I was a kid, anything that could reach 100mph in 10 seconds was otherworldly and that is still my benchmark that separates very quick cars from very fast ones. V10 M5 and the XFR are 10 second cars, so a standard Golf R with a smidge over 300 bhp putting in similar times seems like witchcraft. It does make me wonder where this will end. The Golf is properly quick, but there are an increasing number of ânormalâ everyday cars that can crack out a sub 5 second sprint to 60. Is there a limit to this? Will we see ânormalâ cars going sub three seconds? At some point will regulators jump in and limit it? Are we all going to turn into a bunch of old farts reminiscing about cars with performance you could use and engine noises you wanted to listen to?
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Post by johnc on Apr 15, 2021 10:35:25 GMT
Maybe itâs because I am getting old and am slightly behind the times, but when I was a kid, anything that could reach 100mph in 10 seconds was otherworldly and that is still my benchmark that separates very quick cars from very fast ones. V10 M5 and the XFR are 10 second cars, so a standard Golf R with a smidge over 300 bhp putting in similar times seems like witchcraft. What does that make mine? (160km/h is 100mph) BMW M5 acceleration times in kilometers per hour 0-10 kph 0.3 s 0-20 kph 0.6 s 0-30 kph 0.8 s 0-40 kph 1.1 s 0-50 kph 1.4 s 0-60 kph 1.7 s 0-70 kph 2.0 s 0-80 kph 2.4 s 0-90 kph 2.8 s 0-100 kph 3.3 s 0-110 kph 3.8 s 0-120 kph 4.3 s 0-130 kph 4.7 s 0-140 kph 5.2 s 0-150 kph 5.8 s 0-160 kph 6.5 s 0-170 kph 7.3 s 0-180 kph 8.2 s 0-190 kph 9.4 s 0-200 kph 10.7 s 0-210 kph 12.5 s 0-220 kph 14.6 s 0-230 kph 17.0 s 0-240 kph 19.6 s 0-250 kph 22.3 s 0-260 kph 25.0 s 0-270 kph 27.5 s 0-280 kph 29.7 s 0-290 kph 31.6 s 0-300 kph 33.0 s
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Post by Martin on Apr 15, 2021 10:44:38 GMT
Maybe itâs because I am getting old and am slightly behind the times, but when I was a kid, anything that could reach 100mph in 10 seconds was otherworldly and that is still my benchmark that separates very quick cars from very fast ones. V10 M5 and the XFR are 10 second cars, so a standard Golf R with a smidge over 300 bhp putting in similar times seems like witchcraft. What does that make mine? (160km/h is 100mph) BMW M5 acceleration times in kilometers per hour 0-100 kph 3.3 s 0-160 kph 6.5 s Stupidly fast? 100mph in 6.5 secs is crazy for a large 4 door saloon. Brilliantly crazy on the Autobahn, but must be a touch frustrating in the UK as you're using such a small % of its potential? Or it's potential for such a small % of the time. I'm happy with the level of performance the 7.5R has, so a faster R doesn't make me want to change. In ours you can use the full rev range in 2nd/3rd and it's got plenty of traction and enough grip for the road. It still surprises me a bit when I use the full rev range after being on the motorway or in the RR a lot, as I default to using the mid range which enough for it to feel quick, but it goes to another level at 5,000rpm.
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Post by Tim on Apr 15, 2021 10:45:52 GMT
Have you tried it John? If so are your eyeballs unstuck from the back of your skull yet?
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Post by garry on Apr 15, 2021 11:09:40 GMT
Maybe itâs because I am getting old and am slightly behind the times, but when I was a kid, anything that could reach 100mph in 10 seconds was otherworldly and that is still my benchmark that separates very quick cars from very fast ones. V10 M5 and the XFR are 10 second cars, so a standard Golf R with a smidge over 300 bhp putting in similar times seems like witchcraft. What does that make mine? (160km/h is 100mph) BMW M5 acceleration times in kilometers per hour 0-10 kph 0.3 s 0-20 kph 0.6 s 0-30 kph 0.8 s 0-40 kph 1.1 s 0-50 kph 1.4 s 0-60 kph 1.7 s 0-70 kph 2.0 s 0-80 kph 2.4 s 0-90 kph 2.8 s 0-100 kph 3.3 s 0-110 kph 3.8 s 0-120 kph 4.3 s 0-130 kph 4.7 s 0-140 kph 5.2 s 0-150 kph 5.8 s 0-160 kph 6.5 s 0-170 kph 7.3 s 0-180 kph 8.2 s 0-190 kph 9.4 s 0-200 kph 10.7 s 0-210 kph 12.5 s 0-220 kph 14.6 s 0-230 kph 17.0 s 0-240 kph 19.6 s 0-250 kph 22.3 s 0-260 kph 25.0 s 0-270 kph 27.5 s 0-280 kph 29.7 s 0-290 kph 31.6 s 0-300 kph 33.0 s I wonder how far back in history youâd need to go back for an M5 to be competitive with an f1 car. I reckon some time in the 1950s John could have won a GP whilst listening to radio 4!
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Post by Martin on Apr 15, 2021 11:25:22 GMT
What does that make mine? (160km/h is 100mph) I wonder how far back in history youâd need to go back for an M5 to be competitive with an f1 car. I reckon some time in the 1950s John could have won a GP whilst listening to radio 4! It's a good question, difficult to find with only a quick Google....but a motorsport engineer put a Lotus 49 through a performance simulator and got 0-60 in 2.6 / 0-100 in 4.7 and 0-180 in 15.0 seconds. Putting it on more modern tyres reduced the times to 2.0/4.2/14.5. So earlier than late 60s is the answer.
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Post by johnc on Apr 15, 2021 11:39:08 GMT
Have you tried it John? If so are your eyeballs unstuck from the back of your skull yet? On a private track I have explored its potential a few times. On the road, an overtake often has me lifting off before I am even alongside the car I am passing but even when I am not trying and just use part throttle, the rate at which cars behind disappear is remarkable.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 15, 2021 12:35:26 GMT
What does that make mine? (160km/h is 100mph) BMW M5 acceleration times in kilometers per hour 0-10 kph 0.3 s 0-20 kph 0.6 s 0-30 kph 0.8 s 0-40 kph 1.1 s 0-50 kph 1.4 s 0-60 kph 1.7 s 0-70 kph 2.0 s 0-80 kph 2.4 s 0-90 kph 2.8 s 0-100 kph 3.3 s 0-110 kph 3.8 s 0-120 kph 4.3 s 0-130 kph 4.7 s 0-140 kph 5.2 s 0-150 kph 5.8 s 0-160 kph 6.5 s 0-170 kph 7.3 s 0-180 kph 8.2 s 0-190 kph 9.4 s 0-200 kph 10.7 s 0-210 kph 12.5 s 0-220 kph 14.6 s 0-230 kph 17.0 s 0-240 kph 19.6 s 0-250 kph 22.3 s 0-260 kph 25.0 s 0-270 kph 27.5 s 0-280 kph 29.7 s 0-290 kph 31.6 s 0-300 kph 33.0 s I wonder how far back in history youâd need to go back for an  M5 to be competitive with an f1 car. I reckon some time in the 1950s John could have won a GP whilst listening to radio 4! Weight and brakes would probably be the M5âs downfall over a full 60 odd laps of somewhere like Silverstone. But in a sprint race over a short distance I donât think that Fangio fella would stand a chance.
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Post by PG on Apr 15, 2021 18:56:18 GMT
Have you tried it John? If so are your eyeballs unstuck from the back of your skull yet? On a private track I have explored its potential a few times. On the road, an overtake often has me lifting off before I am even alongside the car I am passing but even when I am not trying and just use part throttle, the rate at which cars behind disappear is remarkable. And that's kind of the point for me in "fast" cars. If you want to overtake or go a bit faster it can just happen. Driving them within themselves is what it is all about. So I wonder if the new Golf R is really like that? Or is it is a car you have to thrash to get the logic-defying performance?
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Post by Martin on Apr 15, 2021 19:23:26 GMT
On a private track I have explored its potential a few times. On the road, an overtake often has me lifting off before I am even alongside the car I am passing but even when I am not trying and just use part throttle, the rate at which cars behind disappear is remarkable. And that's kind of the point for me in "fast" cars. If you want to overtake or go a bit faster it can just happen. Driving them within themselves is what it is all about. So I wonder if the new Golf R is really like that? Or is it is a car you have to thrash to get the logic-defying performance? You donât have the thrash the old one and you only ever use all the performance because you want to not because you have to. So no. It doesnât quite have that low down shove of something like the 750 or your XFR, but itâs a 4 cylinder hatch so you canât expect it have. All it needs is a lower gear and itâs off anyway and when itâs wet, itâs a different story.
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 15, 2021 20:14:24 GMT
There is what appears to be a V-10 M5 abandoned on the industrial estate on which I now work, on a git plate (R31 BOS)
From the DVLA, MOT expired on 4 March but it's still taxed (until end of August), doesn't look like it has moved for many weeks, covered in dust, flat tyres on 3 of the dodgy aftermarket alloys, empty drinks cans visible inside. White with what appears to be a carbon fibre roof, and dark-tinted lights. No idea if the road in the estate is privately owned or council property but I'm waiting to see what happens to the car. There are a few other abandoned cars on the estate too, some have "DVLA" wheel clamps on them
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Post by Tim on Apr 16, 2021 7:49:24 GMT
I wonder if it's had the 'red cog of death' appear on the dash. I'm sure values of these are rising so it'd be worth the owner's while fixing it up, even if all they did was sell it.
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Post by Alex on Apr 16, 2021 8:44:14 GMT
0-100 in 10 secs seems reasonably plausible given that my 1.0 golf did 60 in that time with a third of the power. It's certainly a good looking car but I'm still not overly convinced by some of the interior ergonomics and I'm not sure it offers enough of a compelling case for owners of the mk7 R, like Martin, to upgrade.
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Post by Martin on Apr 16, 2021 8:52:34 GMT
0-100 in 10 secs seems reasonably plausible given that my 1.0 golf did 60 in that time with a third of the power. It's certainly a good looking car but I'm still not overly convinced by some of the interior ergonomics and I'm not sure it offers enough of a compelling case for owners of the mk7 R, like Martin, to upgrade. No, I think if you've got a 7R coming to the end of a lease or PCP deal, then it has to be high up on the shortlist, but I'm not interested in swapping ours for one.
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Post by Stuntman on Apr 17, 2021 20:48:11 GMT
John's M5 stats are stupidly fast. O-160 kph in 6.5 is mental. 0-200 kph (which is 125 mph...) in 10.7 is ridiculous! I think that my GTS does 0-160 kph in 9.1 and 0-200 kph in the low 14s. Plenty fast enough for me!
The incoming Yaris will seem like a moped in comparison to John's M5...
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Post by franki68 on Apr 18, 2021 11:32:41 GMT
John's M5 stats are stupidly fast. O-160 kph in 6.5 is mental. 0-200 kph (which is 125 mph...) in 10.7 is ridiculous! I think that my GTS does 0-160 kph in 9.1 and 0-200 kph in the low 14s. Plenty fast enough for me! The incoming Yaris will seem like a moped in comparison to John's M5... Almost identical figures to the gt3 , which considering the m5 is about 500-600 kg heavier is remarkable . Whenâs the Yaris due?
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Post by Stuntman on Apr 19, 2021 20:28:27 GMT
Your GT3 is a proper weapon too! Yaris was originally expected to arrive in August but it might now turn up in late June or early July. Soon enough, anyway - and still looking forward to it
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Post by Blarno on Apr 20, 2021 7:58:54 GMT
We are in strange times where a medium hatchback can achieve those kinds of figures, yet still be achingly dull.
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Post by chipbutty on Apr 21, 2021 11:31:23 GMT
Are you going to get a plate for it ? All of the Yari I have seen in the wild have all had GR prefix plates - the best one being GR21 PPY.
Another car local to me has been fitted with (what appear to be) silver BBS LM wheels that completely fill the arches - it looks incredible.
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