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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 8:05:51 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 15, 2021 8:05:51 GMT
Of course, if you can get a 0 BIK car like that you would.
I expect your colleague will moan a lot when the BIK rules change and he's suddenly paying a huge amount on his £50+ car though.
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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 8:31:42 GMT
Post by Martin on Jul 15, 2021 8:31:42 GMT
Of course, if you can get a 0 BIK car like that you would. I expect your colleague will moan a lot when the BIK rules change and he's suddenly paying a huge amount on his £50+ car though. They won’t get any sympathy from me, nor will they when they struggle with charging….. |
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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 8:41:57 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 15, 2021 8:41:57 GMT
Ah but it won't be their fault it'll be someone elses - Boris, the fleet manager, etc.
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Post by michael on Jul 15, 2021 9:16:36 GMT
Agreed. But I suspect the tax will be an additional one that gets added on to drivers of combustion engines too. E.g just raise bik by 5% across the board. I’m sure you’re right, as that would still be seen as promoting more environmentally friendly vehicles. They're not more environmentally friendly, they just don't have tailpipe emissions. It's a significant difference. |
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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 9:50:36 GMT
Post by Martin on Jul 15, 2021 9:50:36 GMT
I’m sure you’re right, as that would still be seen as promoting more environmentally friendly vehicles. They're not more environmentally friendly, they just don't have tailpipe emissions. It's a significant difference. Hence why I said ‘seen as’ |
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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 10:18:13 GMT
Post by michael on Jul 15, 2021 10:18:13 GMT
You did. I'm just clarifying that this position is utter nonsense.
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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 13:20:54 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 15, 2021 13:20:54 GMT
You did. I'm just clarifying that this position is utter nonsense. Try telling a Tesla apostle this. They’d sooner kill you, their kids, their family and a member of the clergy than admit that mining rare metals, producing aluminium and shipping around the globe is in any way polluting. |
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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 15:59:41 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 15, 2021 15:59:41 GMT
You did. I'm just clarifying that this position is utter nonsense. Try telling a Tesla apostle this. They’d sooner kill you, their kids, their family and a member of the clergy than admit that mining rare metals, producing aluminium and shipping around the globe is in any way polluting. All vehicles contain rare earth metals and aluminium. Where the Tesla and other EVs score is that, as power generation moves to ever more cleaner sources, particularly renewables, their car gains an even greater environmental advantage over an ICE one. Your Tesla owner in Norway is running his car on 100% hydro electricity. |
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BMW i4
Jul 15, 2021 16:22:30 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jul 15, 2021 16:22:30 GMT
Hydro electricity, in the ESG world, is usually termed "brown" rather than "green" because it often has other significant negative environment impacts.
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BMW i4
Jul 16, 2021 7:34:25 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 16, 2021 7:34:25 GMT
Hydro electricity, in the ESG world, is usually termed "brown" rather than "green" because it often has other significant negative environment impacts. Isn't the burning of wood pellets - such as at Drax - deemed "green" despite them usually being shipped a long distance and, well, being an un-aged fossil fuel? Nothing is truly green - building hydro requires a huge amount of concrete (although going by the dams up here it lasts a very long time) and wind turbines appear to generally built far away, shipped here and then mounted on a big concrete slab, not to mention them being made of metal and composites. I know we have to make a start, or is it the next step already, but lets not kid ourselves from day one. |
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BMW i4
Jul 16, 2021 8:41:03 GMT
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Post by michael on Jul 16, 2021 8:41:03 GMT
Nuclear is more green than most.
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BMW i4
Jul 16, 2021 14:51:36 GMT
Post by PG on Jul 16, 2021 14:51:36 GMT
Hydro electricity, in the ESG world, is usually termed "brown" rather than "green" because it often has other significant negative environment impacts. What do they class as green then? Solar and wind and that's about it? |
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BMW i4
Jul 19, 2021 11:39:41 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 19, 2021 11:39:41 GMT
Hydro electricity, in the ESG world, is usually termed "brown" rather than "green" because it often has other significant negative environment impacts. What do they class as green then? Solar and wind and that's about it? And nuclear |
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BMW i4
Jul 19, 2021 16:15:46 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jul 19, 2021 16:15:46 GMT
TBH I'm not entirely sure. I just know that hydro is considered a classic example of something that is not considered as green/renewable as you might think.
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BMW i4
Jul 19, 2021 17:13:55 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Jul 19, 2021 17:13:55 GMT
Nuclear’s definitely green if the way Homer Simpson waves the isotopes around at the Springfield power plant is anything to go by.
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BMW i4
Jul 19, 2021 19:03:37 GMT
Post by Boxer6 on Jul 19, 2021 19:03:37 GMT
TBH I'm not entirely sure. I just know that hydro is considered a classic example of something that is not considered as green/renewable as you might think. Nothing is really though, is it? Wind energy uses massive amounts of short-like componentry in the production of turbines (in addition to a world-wide shortage of balsa for modellers - another subejct for another time!) and solar tends to use massive amounts of land for the panels which are not, allegedly, always otherwise useless.
It's trying to work out the least of many evils I suppose, which is likely to be swayed by a person's individual prejudices.
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BMW i4
Jul 20, 2021 7:59:09 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 20, 2021 7:59:09 GMT
Perhaps wave power is potentially the greenest then? I know a prototype was recently sailed out from Dundee and it looked like a fairly simple bit of kit (notwithstanding whatever might be in it) made up of a main cylindrical body and some 'wings' that presumably help it harness the movement of the waves. EDIT Here we go www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-56818538There are some, er, splendid shots of Dundee waterfront in the background of a couple of pictures, including some very picturesque 'jack-up' drilling rigs  |
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