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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 9, 2021 9:02:09 GMT
I am hopeful that someone has already disconnected the big red button from actually being live, so Trump can jab all he likes! The problem is Trump is Commander in Chief and the military has no power to refuse his instructions unless it’s an illegal order. To do so would constitute a military coup.
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Post by Alex on Jan 9, 2021 10:44:33 GMT
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Post by rodge on Jan 10, 2021 4:27:09 GMT
I am hopeful that someone has already disconnected the big red button from actually being live, so Trump can jab all he likes! The problem is Trump is Commander in Chief and the military has no power to refuse his instructions unless it’s an illegal order. To do so would constitute a military coup. I don’t think he will press the button, it’s more fear mongering by Pelosi and co. Genuine question, and I’m asking this here because I know people can have a balanced discussion- Facebook is not a place to ask this as my friends will either end up fighting with each other or unfriending me- if every part of the government is looking for Trump to be out, when he is still president, how is this any different than a coup also? I know Trump is universally hated, and he doesn’t know how or when to shut up, but I genuinely think some of the politicians trying to get rid of him are as much to blame for this mess. Living in California means I get the Democrat news all the time from everywhere, and it’s constant biased news, verging on propaganda. I’ve also got friends who have done business with many of the people that are in the news and one who has dealt with the incoming Vice President directly is terrified to see her taking office, saying she is pure evil. Part of me would love to see the whole lot of them thrown out and banned from governing for a while. If we switch the government off and on again, will it go back to factory settings?
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Post by johnc on Jan 10, 2021 8:45:42 GMT
and one who has dealt with the incoming Vice President directly is terrified to see her taking office, saying she is pure evil. That is exactly what many were saying about Trump before he was elected and I am sure in many ways they were right. He has shown himself to be very self centred and completely unable to accept criticism. His business background could have been useful but it was always playing second fiddle to his ego and bullying tactics. The big problem with most Politicians of all parties in most democracies is that they are really only interested in themselves so in that way they aren't greatly different to Trump - perhaps a bit less unhinged but self interested all the same. Unfortunately for many they also lack any real experience of business and the real world so have an ideological view of the way things should be, instead of an appreciation of how they really are. This leads to policies which don't work for the majority and also a great waste of public resources. I don't think there is anyone you could consider to be the perfect Politician and unfortunately those who come in to politics with morals and ethics generally don't survive or are slowly turned to become just like the rest. You could say we have a broken system and I would probably agree but how do we get a better workable alternative? I think that will be a discussion that's still being had after I am pushing up the daisies.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 10, 2021 12:29:00 GMT
I'm not particularly taken by Kamala Harris, but anyone who describes her as "pure evil" surely has some sort of problem. I'm struggling to think of any politician, Trump included, who I would describe accurately as "pure evil".
The problem with Trump wasn't that he was entirely wrong, but that what he got right (mainly China) was masked by all the many other things he got wrong. Likewise I hope that Biden will stand up to the overly woke nonsense on the progressive left of his party. I'm not sure Harris would pander to it all that much either - I suspect she's too ruthless and ambitious for that.
I think accepting that all people are equal and should be treated accordingly is simply common sense, never mind morally appropriate. But I'm not going to describe myself ever as "cisgender" for example. That level of jiggery-wokery is just silly.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 10, 2021 16:49:08 GMT
So when do we think Trump will land in Scotland for an extended stay?
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Post by johnc on Jan 10, 2021 16:55:42 GMT
So when do we think Trump will land in Scotland for an extended stay? Probably very soon. He isn't getting any younger and needs to gets those golf games in before his back gives up for good. I wonder if they will just allow him to travel without his bodyguards.
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Post by michael on Jan 10, 2021 17:16:19 GMT
I do wonder how long it’ll be before he has an “accident”. I think they’ll need to do something like induce dementia or some such to make it look less like anyone else was involved.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 10, 2021 18:30:00 GMT
So when do we think Trump will land in Scotland for an extended stay? Probably very soon. He isn't getting any younger and needs to gets those golf games in before his back gives up for good. I wonder if they will just allow him to travel without his bodyguards. Provided the 25th isn't enacted, isn't he entitled to a shit load of protection? And won't he just lap it up... So long as he stays north of the border
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 10, 2021 18:56:42 GMT
I am sure there will be plenty of security where he is (hopefully) going. Guards, locked doors, watch towers, high walls, that sort of thing. The orange overalls will match his complexion.
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Post by rodge on Jan 10, 2021 20:15:12 GMT
Probably very soon. He isn't getting any younger and needs to gets those golf games in before his back gives up for good. I wonder if they will just allow him to travel without his bodyguards. Provided the 25th isn't enacted, isn't he entitled to a shit load of protection? And won't he just lap it up... So long as he stays north of the border I’d think so. Whatever happens, he’s still president and will still be a former president of the US after Joe gets in, so is entitled to the security all presidents get. He’ll probably retire to Florida to his compound there, assuming he isn’t in a government facility.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 10, 2021 21:43:52 GMT
I really cant see Trump leaving Florida and coming to play golf in Scotland in Winter, notwithstanding any travel bans put in place by Wee Nipoleon.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 10, 2021 22:33:51 GMT
I do hope that once Joe Biden gets to enjoy the tender ministrations of the White House medical team and gets access to infusions of virgin's blood or whatever, that he starts looking and sounding just a bit less frail and confused.
I mean most of the time I like the substance of what he says, I just wish he didn't sound so doddery while he was at it.
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Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2021 7:13:32 GMT
I do hope that once Joe Biden gets to enjoy the tender ministrations of the White House medical team and gets access to infusions of virgin's blood or whatever, that he starts looking and sounding just a bit less frail and confused. I mean most of the time I like the substance of what he says, I just wish he didn't sound so doddery while he was at it. Do you think he even intends to run the full term? I read an article a month or so ago that suggested he might do two years or so and then let the Vice President take over for the run to the next election.
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 11, 2021 8:32:18 GMT
^ Yup, plenty of rumours abound that he was only a "figurehead" for the election and that Kamala will effectively be President. Biden doesn't inspire me with much confidence that he has his wits about him at all times (or even most of the time)
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Post by Tim on Jan 11, 2021 9:46:29 GMT
^ Yup, plenty of rumours abound that he was only a "figurehead" for the election and that Kamala will effectively be President. Biden doesn't inspire me with much confidence that he has his wits about him at all times (or even most of the time) In the same way that Trump has been a figurehead? There's no way he could've thought up all the unpleasant things he's done all by himself surely.
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Post by PG on Jan 11, 2021 14:53:32 GMT
...The problem with Trump wasn't that he was entirely wrong, but that what he got right (mainly China) was masked by all the many other things he got wrong... Agreed re Trump. Anything he has done well gets lost in all the rage against him and his own stupidity. I don't like Trump the person, but you have the respect some of what he's achieved. China; North Korea, Israel diplomatic relations with more Arab countries; more people in jobs and so on. And some of that has become mainstream. No Democrat has said that China will get a free ride any more for example.
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Post by PG on Jan 11, 2021 15:01:52 GMT
I do hope that once Joe Biden gets to enjoy the tender ministrations of the White House medical team and gets access to infusions of virgin's blood or whatever, that he starts looking and sounding just a bit less frail and confused. I mean most of the time I like the substance of what he says, I just wish he didn't sound so doddery while he was at it. Do you think he even intends to run the full term? I read an article a month or so ago that suggested he might do two years or so and then let the Vice President take over for the run to the next election. I can't see anyway that Biden can serve a whole term. He has to serve two years of his term before Harris takes over or else she can only stand for re-election once. I can't see any way that he will really hold the reigns of power. As racing said, he appears so doddery and only half there a lot of the time. Spitting Image used to do this skit of a dead Brezhnev being operated by strings (and having ice put on him) when meeting with Reagan, who didn't notice. History may be about to repeat itself.
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Post by Tim on Jan 11, 2021 15:42:50 GMT
They also did the President's Brain is Missing sketches about Reagan, could've just resurrected that for the Orange One.
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Post by scouse on Jan 11, 2021 15:45:48 GMT
I'm not particularly taken by Kamala Harris, but anyone who describes her as "pure evil" surely has some sort of problem. I'm struggling to think of any politician, Trump included, who I would describe accurately as "pure evil". The problem with Trump wasn't that he was entirely wrong, but that what he got right (mainly China) was masked by all the many other things he got wrong. Likewise I hope that Biden will stand up to the overly woke nonsense on the progressive left of his party. I'm not sure Harris would pander to it all that much either - I suspect she's too ruthless and ambitious for that. I think accepting that all people are equal and should be treated accordingly is simply common sense, never mind morally appropriate. But I'm not going to describe myself ever as "cisgender" for example. That level of jiggery-wokery is just silly. Read up on Kamala's time as DA and you'll see why people would describe her as 'pure evil'. The fact that the worst of her actions were against poor, black people (sorry, people of colour) and shw hasn't been called on it in these woke times is a damning indictment od the US press corps. In fact, the whole 'but Trump..' thing that has been pushed over the last 4 years is bizzare.
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Post by scouse on Jan 11, 2021 15:50:30 GMT
I am hopeful that someone has already disconnected the big red button from actually being live, so Trump can jab all he likes! The problem is Trump is Commander in Chief and the military has no power to refuse his instructions unless it’s an illegal order. To do so would constitute a military coup. Trump having access to the 'Red Button' is an irrelevance. It has at least a two stage authorisation, not only must Trump order a launch, so must another senior Administration official such as Vice President, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Director of the CIA, Speaker of the House(!) etc. I'd be more worried about the senile imbeciles such as Biden & Pelosi doing it than Trump...
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 11, 2021 16:13:49 GMT
Are you suggesting Trump is not a senile imbecile?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 16:43:26 GMT
Are you suggesting Trump is not a senile imbecile? Not possible, he's not that sharp.
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Post by Stuntman on Jan 11, 2021 21:53:58 GMT
^^^ Yep. I think 'senile idiot' is the next level down on the intellectual spectrum of underachievement!
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 11, 2021 21:54:15 GMT
I do hope that once Joe Biden gets to enjoy the tender ministrations of the White House medical team and gets access to infusions of virgin's blood or whatever, that he starts looking and sounding just a bit less frail and confused. I mean most of the time I like the substance of what he says, I just wish he didn't sound so doddery while he was at it. He has a stammer, apparently.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 11, 2021 23:57:43 GMT
I do hope that once Joe Biden gets to enjoy the tender ministrations of the White House medical team and gets access to infusions of virgin's blood or whatever, that he starts looking and sounding just a bit less frail and confused. I mean most of the time I like the substance of what he says, I just wish he didn't sound so doddery while he was at it. He has a stammer, apparently. He does, but even allowing for that.
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Post by PG on Jan 13, 2021 16:07:14 GMT
I wanted to try and make my own mind up on what Trump did, rather than get that from each side of the press. I googled his speech and Al Jazeera says it has a full transcript - link herein. It's pretty rambling and lists loads and loads of voter fraud claims. It also says time and time again about how the election was stolen etc. So I think he is guilty of whipping the crowd up. And he ends with: "So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give … The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you."www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech But is that incitement? Trump has behaved like a total muppet, but I can't see where he said to storm the Capitol. He said to protest.
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Post by johnc on Jan 13, 2021 16:19:25 GMT
I think some of what is going on by the Democrats is to poison Trump in such a way that he can't run for office again. They maybe consider impeachment is the only way to lock him out of Politics for good. Personally I think they should just leave it now and let his term of office expire but if there is a real chance of Trump running again in a few years or whipping up more of the hatred and anger then I am all for neutralising the threat. If that means impeachment then so be it.
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Post by Tim on Jan 13, 2021 16:37:45 GMT
I think some of what is going on by the Democrats is to poison Trump in such a way that he can't run for office again. They maybe consider impeachment is the only way to lock him out of Politics for good. Personally I think they should just leave it now and let his term of office expire but if there is a real chance of Trump running again in a few years or whipping up more of the hatred and anger then I am all for neutralising the threat. If that means impeachment then so be it. I think they need to be seen to do something. The 'after party' post speech that he had appears pretty damning - sitting in the Whitehouse watching the events unfold on live TV and refusing to do anything about it despite his aides trying to make him and members of Congress phoning from inside the building. Apparently he has to be the one to request help from the National Guard - because DC isn't a state - and he refused to do so and eventually Pence called them out. Anyway impeachment led by the Democrats might be a great solution for the Republicans as well - stops him running in 2024 and will give them an opportunity to spin what happened so they retain at least some of his hardcore base.
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Post by PG on Jan 13, 2021 19:07:22 GMT
I think they need to be seen to do something... ..Anyway impeachment led by the Democrats might be a great solution for the Republicans as well - stops him running in 2024 and will give them an opportunity to spin what happened so they retain at least some of his hardcore base. That's my thoughts. In impeaching him, the Democrats are actually helping the Republicans. If Trump could stand again in 2024, the Republicans would tear themselves apart as the Trump v somebody else wings fought it out. Which should give Harris a clear run (and she needs one). Whereas if Trump is taken out of the equation (and tat probably means his children are out by inference), the Republicans are going to have to move on and field another candidate v Harris. And then all bets are off.
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