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Post by racingteatray on Jan 6, 2021 20:36:44 GMT
...is going on in Washington?
In any other country, we'd call this an attempted coup, which unless the unthinkable happens and it succeeds, is surely a grand felony of some sort or other??
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Post by michael on Jan 6, 2021 20:39:09 GMT
Hopefully he’s doing enough to earn a prison sentence. Orange is the new black.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 6, 2021 20:57:21 GMT
At least Pence has had some common sense, it seems.
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Post by Alex on Jan 6, 2021 21:38:35 GMT
The UK: tries to become the biggest laughing stock on the world stage. America: hold my beer...
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 6, 2021 22:31:26 GMT
The UK: tries to become the biggest laughing stock on the world stage. America: hold my piss-weak sugary beer... FYP Trump supporters: taking time out from fingering their siblings to attack the very thing they think they’ve been robbed of in the very manner they would never allow the opposition to attempt.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 6, 2021 22:43:14 GMT
I wonder if we'll be the generation that witnesses both the death of communism and the death of democracy?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 7, 2021 0:43:17 GMT
The 25th Amendment is the top trending subject on Twitter right now. We need the TV cameras in place to see Trump physically ejected from the White House.
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Post by johnc on Jan 7, 2021 8:04:56 GMT
The Russians must be loving this. I find it amusing that Trump is using deception and false information all the time which is exactly the same tactic the Russians use to confuse enemies to gain a military advantage. In fact it is so ingrained in the Russian leadership/military that nothing they say can be trusted - a lie is always the immediate response. Maybe the rumours of Russian interference were actually much more than that.
Given his initial silence when the trouble started, someone must have told Trump to get his arse out there quickly and tell his supporters to go home otherwise he was going to get it - which he might still do. There's certainly never a dull day with that man about.
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Post by alf on Jan 7, 2021 9:15:12 GMT
Utterly disgraceful scenes. The crazies he holds so dear to his heart have done a lot to subvert western country's trust in their own leaders, news agencies, the entire medical profession and modern medicine - and are now taking a pop at democracy itself. Someone in his position giving credence to it is well beyond being just irresponsible.
A lie is a lie no matter how many times you say it - Trump's comments about being cheated (despite all the rational evidence to the contrary) are deeply damaging to the whole concept of democracy, which we would all do well to remember is not revered around the world. His supporters would do well to look into the conditions people live in under the non-democratic governments that govern 60% of the world. The biggest country on earth will put you in prison for supporting the concept of democracy, and sometimes murders its political enemies, as well as monitoring the physical and online activities of all its citizens in order to score them, which then affects access to schools, travel, jobs and so on. That's an Orwellian state. Its very different to not being able to understand the concept of needing to count all the votes before the results of an election are valid, then being outraged the final result is not what it was part way through.....
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 7, 2021 10:00:06 GMT
Its very different to not being able to understand the concept of needing to count all the votes before the results of an election are valid, then being outraged the final result is not what it was part way through..... Almost as bad as holding a referendum, not getting the result you wanted, so proposing to hold it again and again until you do get the result that you wanted (irrespective of the general public opinion)
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 7, 2021 10:18:40 GMT
Its very different to not being able to understand the concept of needing to count all the votes before the results of an election are valid, then being outraged the final result is not what it was part way through..... Almost as bad as holding a referendum, not getting the result you wanted, so proposing to hold it again and again until you do get the result that you wanted (irrespective of the general public opinion) Not quite the same: the presidential vote is to vote for a candidate based on their manifesto, personality and your own personal leanings. The run up to the election is full of lies, anger and deception but at the end there is a new or 2nd term president. The run up to the EU Referendum was also full of lies, anger and deception but was cross party and at the end the same government remained in place and the leader of that party (the PM, David Cameron) was on the losing side.
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Post by Tim on Jan 7, 2021 10:41:30 GMT
The more I've seen of the current state of things in the US over the past few months the more it's clear that Trump is just a puppet for a bunch of controlling folk who actually want the total opposite of freedom, etc.
There's a post on Pistonheads by someone who's created a list under the banner 'thing's Trump has done that haven't been a step too far for the GOP'. All the way from 'I grab them by the pussy and they like it' up to the constant, unsupported claims of voter fraud.
But then this is the party that wants an investigation into voter fraud while at the same time withdrawing a huge number of voting locations in Democrat supporting areas within individual states. In Georgia between the election in November and the run-offs 2 days ago they further restricted drop off points.
This is the party behind Trump and it's been there for a lot longer than him.
I also can't believe that only 1 person was shot. Can't help but think back to the riots in the summer when law enforcement was going in heavily at various protests that were taking place on the streets rather than the seat of democracy.
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Post by johnc on Jan 7, 2021 11:57:43 GMT
I also can't believe that only 1 person was shot. Can't help but think back to the riots in the summer when law enforcement was going in heavily at various protests that were taking place on the streets rather than the seat of democracy. A lot of voices saying that colour was the only thing that prevented a bloodbath.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 7, 2021 12:29:30 GMT
I also can't believe that only 1 person was shot. Can't help but think back to the riots in the summer when law enforcement was going in heavily at various protests that were taking place on the streets rather than the seat of democracy. A lot of voices saying that colour was the only thing that prevented a bloodbath.
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Post by Tim on Jan 7, 2021 14:26:37 GMT
Actually in addition to the colour issue the things that might've prevented a bloodbath are 1) the police at the Capitol didn't exactly resist too hard 2) I think most of the protesters were unarmed - possibly due to DC being pretty strict on their gun laws 3) While the Capitol was very well defended by National Guard when there was a BLM march on there were no National Guard in advance of, and for the first few hours of, the march and 'storming' yesterday. Now interestingly DC isn't a state and therefore has no Governor to call out the National Guard, that choice lies with the President who perhaps rather suspiciously chose not to use them. In fact I've read that even after the mob had entered the building he stalled for several hours before Pence gave permission for the National Guard to be called.
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Post by Blarno on Jan 7, 2021 15:02:08 GMT
Can we just switch America off and back on again?
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Post by Tim on Jan 7, 2021 15:08:05 GMT
Can we just switch America off FYP
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Post by johnc on Jan 8, 2021 8:47:03 GMT
I see in Trump's condemnation of the Capitol building invasion that he has thrown his troops under a bus. He incited them to go to the Capitol building and now says they should meet the full force of the law and be punished - all to try and save his own skin. You wouldn't want him in your team would you?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2021 9:24:00 GMT
I see in Trump's condemnation of the Capitol building invasion that he has thrown his troops under a bus. He incited them to go to the Capitol building and now says they should meet the full force of the law and be punished - all to try and save his own skin. You wouldn't want him in your team would you? He is a man who throughout his life hasn't met a situation he couldn't hitherto bully or pay his way out of. The ultimate spoilt brat manchild.
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Post by Alex on Jan 8, 2021 12:23:26 GMT
I see in Trump's condemnation of the Capitol building invasion that he has thrown his troops under a bus. He incited them to go to the Capitol building and now says they should meet the full force of the law and be punished - all to try and save his own skin. You wouldn't want him in your team would you? He is a man who throughout his life hasn't met a situation he couldn't hitherto bully or pay his way out of. The ultimate spoilt brat manchild. He also has no experience of the concept of not getting what he wants and now he has it's no surprise that his reaction is to spit his dummy out and bash his rattle on the side of his pram.
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Post by PG on Jan 8, 2021 13:08:47 GMT
The US is in severe danger of going to hell in a handcart. Both sides need to CTFD. Trump was way off the reservation in his speech inciting people to storm the Capitol. Thank goodness he's decided to finally back down and admit to a transition of power. It would be beholden on the Democrats to back off too now and let him go quietly. I don't see demanding Impeachment as anything more then oil on the fire.
I think what happened in the US is really the latest episode (only way worse and escalated) of something I've noticed about US politics since Bush senior was in power. Whoever wins the Presidential election, the other side spend the next 4 / 8 years simply trying to discredit that individual (ably aided by the individual themselves at times it has to be said....). Apart from during the actual campaign (and even then it's almost a minor role) it's not about policy any more - it's just about the personalities involved. And that reached a peak in the Obama and then the Trump presidencies. The Republicans, incensed that he beat Bush after only 4 years, spent 8 years trying to dig up anything they could on Obama, like the whole birther thing. Then the Democrats, incensed that Hilary did not win, have spent the past 4 years trying to get Trump.
Democrats supporters who didn't want to offend BLM (and I'm talking about BLM's politics and direct action, not the fact that lives matter), now see what Trump's crowd did as abhorrent. Republicans supporters who wanted BLM all locked up can reconcile storming the Capitol. As I said, everyone calm the fuck down.
I sincerely hope that Biden can act like a statesman, reign in his more radical supporters, show some leadership and move the US forward. And I hope that the Republicans decide that that's it for Trump and also move on. However, I can't help thinking (fearing?) that this is all wishful thinking. Both parties need their less desirable elements to shore up their base.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2021 13:38:52 GMT
I think what happened in the US is really the latest episode (only way worse and escalated) of something I've noticed about US politics since Bush senior was in power. Whoever wins the Presidential election, the other side spend the next 4 / 8 years simply trying to discredit that individual (ably aided by the individual themselves at times it has to be said....). Apart from during the actual campaign (and even then it's almost a minor role) it's not about policy any more - it's just about the personalities involved. And that reached a peak in the Obama and then the Trump presidencies. The Republicans, incensed that he beat Bush after only 4 years, spent 8 years trying to dig up anything they could on Obama, like the whole birther thing. Then the Democrats, incensed that Hilary did not win, have spent the past 4 years trying to get Trump. Democrats supporters who didn't want to offend BLM (and I'm talking about BLM's politics and direct action, not the fact that lives matter), now see what Trump's crowd did as abhorrent. Republicans supporters who wanted BLM all locked up can reconcile storming the Capitol. As I said, everyone calm the fuck down. I sincerely hope that Biden can act like a statesman, reign in his more radical supporters, show some leadership and move the US forward. And I hope that the Republicans decide that that's it for Trump and also move on. However, I can't help thinking (fearing?) that this is all wishful thinking. Both parties need their less desirable elements to shore up their base. You're muddling your Bushes, and Clinton and Obama. Bush Snr was a one-term president defeated by Clinton who then served two terms. Bush Jr did two terms (having defeated Al Gore in debatable circumstances in 2000) and he was followed by Obama who defeated John McCain and then served two terms. One term presidents are rare - that's one reason it stings Trump so much. I gather Biden has indicated he doesn't support removing Trump before the end of his term.
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Post by Tim on Jan 8, 2021 14:39:31 GMT
I think what happened in the US is really the latest episode (only way worse and escalated) of something I've noticed about US politics since Bush senior was in power. Whoever wins the Presidential election, the other side spend the next 4 / 8 years simply trying to discredit that individual (ably aided by the individual themselves at times it has to be said....). Apart from during the actual campaign (and even then it's almost a minor role) it's not about policy any more - it's just about the personalities involved. And that reached a peak in the Obama and then the Trump presidencies. The Republicans, incensed that he beat Bush after only 4 years, spent 8 years trying to dig up anything they could on Obama, like the whole birther thing. Then the Democrats, incensed that Hilary did not win, have spent the past 4 years trying to get Trump. Democrats supporters who didn't want to offend BLM (and I'm talking about BLM's politics and direct action, not the fact that lives matter), now see what Trump's crowd did as abhorrent. Republicans supporters who wanted BLM all locked up can reconcile storming the Capitol. As I said, everyone calm the fuck down. I sincerely hope that Biden can act like a statesman, reign in his more radical supporters, show some leadership and move the US forward. And I hope that the Republicans decide that that's it for Trump and also move on. However, I can't help thinking (fearing?) that this is all wishful thinking. Both parties need their less desirable elements to shore up their base. You're muddling your Bushes, and Clinton and Obama. Bush Snr was a one-term president defeated by Clinton who then served two terms. Bush Jr did two terms (having defeated Al Gore in debatable circumstances in 2000) and he was followed by Obama who defeated John McCain and then served two terms. One term presidents are rare - that's one reason it stings Trump so much. I gather Biden has indicated he doesn't support removing Trump before the end of his term. I don't think you can compare the pursuit of Trump with that of Obama. Trump has been almost openly corrupt. It started right away. Ref Clinton, that family have been intensively investigated for about 30 years and as far as I can tell nothing major has been unearthed. I very much doubt the Trump family and its businesses would stand up to a fraction of that scrutiny and I suspect that's what will be his downfall. As Racing says an impeachment now will just make things worse. He's been a massive hypocrite, he criticised the amount spent on security for Obama's holidays during an 8 year presidency but has surpassed that total within, I think, 8 months. He doesn't give a shit about conventions and has spent the last 4 years trying to generate money for Team Trump and those (already wealthy) people around him. He's successfully made the US a laughing stock, not just by the last couple of months but by a huge number of actions. I don't fully blame Trump though, he's just the front man for an awful organisation that says one thing and does another. He's just been happy to have a bit of power and clearly doesn't care what others think as long as his base and those backing him are happy. I don't think Biden is necessarily going to be a great President but I fail to see how he can be as bad as Trump/the GOP have been for the last 4 years. The US really needs to start again with their politics. I just hope we don't end up in the same position in the near future. This is 1 American export we really need to avoid.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 8, 2021 15:56:58 GMT
I see in Trump's condemnation of the Capitol building invasion that he has thrown his troops under a bus. He incited them to go to the Capitol building and now says they should meet the full force of the law and be punished - all to try and save his own skin. You wouldn't want him in your team would you? I was going to get myself a Lego Technic to do over the weekend but saw this on Amazon instead:
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Post by Blarno on Jan 8, 2021 16:28:53 GMT
Found this image on Facebook yesterday and one of my friends said it looked like an old skool metal album cover:
So, I made up a suitable band name and album title, retreated to the edit feature on my phone and came up with this:
I'd buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 17:10:10 GMT
I had a go at that too.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 8, 2021 18:22:27 GMT
Just saw this on Twitter. Assuming he was one of the medical emergencies mentioned in the news. That's the Darwin Award 2021 won already
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Post by Tim on Jan 8, 2021 18:31:21 GMT
I saw that too. The full photo shows that he had 2 pistols in his belt when he did the pose too. What a shame.
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Post by michael on Jan 8, 2021 20:24:57 GMT
I understand Trumps tantrum has led to him refusing to attend the handover of power. I do wonder what will happen with the so called nuclear football which ceremoniously moves from one president to the next when the ousted isn’t present?
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Post by bryan on Jan 9, 2021 8:52:24 GMT
I am hopeful that someone has already disconnected the big red button from actually being live, so Trump can jab all he likes!
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