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Post by michael on Dec 8, 2020 11:25:23 GMT
Apparently these are a thing now?
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 8, 2020 11:30:29 GMT
Virtue-signalling at its finest.
I did half wonder if we'll all be issued with new plates to avoid the sight of half the nation's cars driving around with EU symbols on them...
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 8, 2020 11:56:31 GMT
Damn I thought it might be a proper green plate like the french diplomatic plates. Always loved there orange on green background. I do hate our oversized white and yellow plates.
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Post by michael on Dec 8, 2020 12:05:31 GMT
Do we think it'd be illegal to put some green tape over the end of the plate on non qualifying cars?
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 8, 2020 12:18:12 GMT
Do we think it'd be illegal to put some green tape over the end of the plate on non qualifying cars? Not as illegal as running around proudly displaying your Euro Plates. |
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Post by michael on Dec 8, 2020 12:19:56 GMT
Do we think it'd be illegal to put some green tape over the end of the plate on non qualifying cars? Not as illegal as running around proudly displaying your Euro Plates. That's not illegal. |
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Post by johnc on Dec 8, 2020 12:25:23 GMT
I think i'll put a skull and crossbones on mine.
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Post by PG on Dec 8, 2020 13:04:28 GMT
Maybe we could get a red flash on the plate for a proper gas guzzling car?
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Post by Blarno on Dec 8, 2020 14:05:36 GMT
Maybe we could get a red flash on the plate for a proper gas guzzling car? Or black for those of us who sup from the boat pump. |
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Post by PG on Dec 8, 2020 16:13:56 GMT
Maybe we could get a red flash on the plate for a proper gas guzzling car? Or black for those of us who sup from the boat pump.  Or maybe we could make the drivers wear an armband depicting their fuel of choice as well? And segregate people based on those armbands to limit pollution.... |
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Post by johnc on Dec 9, 2020 7:34:57 GMT
It's easy to see where Orwell got his ideas from. Or maybe he was a visionary.
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Post by Tim on Dec 9, 2020 10:07:32 GMT
I think I should be getting one for the M5 and Fiat. Rather than putting a demand on earth resources for a new car I'm (barely) using ones that have been in existence for 20 years. Actually, since all mine are already in existence then I reckon they all count by that token  |
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Post by LandieMark on Dec 9, 2020 10:33:58 GMT
I think I should be getting one for the M5 and Fiat. Rather than putting a demand on earth resources for a new car I'm (barely) using ones that have been in existence for 20 years. Actually, since all mine are already in existence then I reckon they all count by that token I've posted this elsewhere, but Harry makes that exact point in a recent video. My Defender will emit about half the CO2 of running an electric car on 3 year leases over the next 10 years. It will cost me a damn sight less too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 11:40:49 GMT
I reckon Bess's whole life emissions to be lower than the majority of vehicles out there. CO2 emmisions still less than 2% and very low miles.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 9, 2020 13:12:16 GMT
Do we think it'd be illegal to put some green tape over the end of the plate on non qualifying cars? Not as illegal as running around proudly displaying your Euro Plates. Our cars used to have Euro plates but I just checked and neither is displaying ones at the moment. I think it was just a fashion thing a few years ago and seems to be dying out. |
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Post by PG on Dec 9, 2020 15:11:33 GMT
I've posted this elsewhere, but Harry makes that exact point in a recent video. My Defender will emit about half the CO2 of running an electric car on 3 year leases over the next 10 years. It will cost me a damn sight less too. I watched Harry's video last night. He made some very good points. The point re the emissions impact of changing an electric car every 3 years v running an already existing car were valid, but I think he was being a bit naughty and not comparing like with like. For each electric car you change after 3 years is not scrapped, but will go on to be one of the older cars that other people buy second hand. It may even be "classic" in 40 years when all new cars are powered by reverse-ion warp drives. The basic point that any new car takes a lot of energy to produce though was entirely the right one to make and that keeping older cars on the road is not as bad for CO2 as stated. It might be worse for local pollution (NOX, particulates etc) but that's a different issue. Basically, we can't get to net zero by all driving electric cars. That's what needs to be said out loud. We can't get to net zero if anybody is still doing anything at all either...... that's how stupid a target it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 15:26:05 GMT
"Basically, we can't get to net zero by all driving electric cars. That's what needs to be said out loud.
We can't get to net zero if anybody is still doing anything at all either...... that's how stupid a target it is".
Not as long as we have population levels as high as they are, or higher. The one continuous driver of pollution is us regardless of transport.
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Post by LandieMark on Dec 9, 2020 16:09:08 GMT
I've posted this elsewhere, but Harry makes that exact point in a recent video. My Defender will emit about half the CO2 of running an electric car on 3 year leases over the next 10 years. It will cost me a damn sight less too. I watched Harry's video last night. He made some very good points. The point re the emissions impact of changing an electric car every 3 years v running an already existing car were valid, but I think he was being a bit naughty and not comparing like with like. For each electric car you change after 3 years is not scrapped, but will go on to be one of the older cars that other people buy second hand. It may even be "classic" in 40 years when all new cars are powered by reverse-ion warp drives. The basic point that any new car takes a lot of energy to produce though was entirely the right one to make and that keeping older cars on the road is not as bad for CO2 as stated. It might be worse for local pollution (NOX, particulates etc) but that's a different issue. Basically, we can't get to net zero by all driving electric cars. That's what needs to be said out loud. We can't get to net zero if anybody is still doing anything at all either...... that's how stupid a target it is. I thought he addressed that. How many battery changes would an older electric car need over 10 years and would they last that long or be efficient for that long? Nobody knows yet. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 9, 2020 17:42:58 GMT
The basic point that any new car takes a lot of energy to produce though was entirely the right one to make and that keeping older cars on the road is not as bad for CO2 as stated. It might be worse for local pollution (NOX, particulates etc) but that's a different issue. Yeah, it might be sensible to just ban all ICE cars from towns and cities and let them be used in quieter areas. |
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Post by LandieMark on Dec 9, 2020 19:35:04 GMT
Get decent park and ride systems up and running and I have no problem with that. I happily use the Durham park and ride at Sniperley when I visit. I can't belive a city the size of Newcastle with the pollution it has, doesn't have a system at least to the west of the city.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 9, 2020 20:34:40 GMT
Yeah, it might be sensible to just ban all ICE cars from towns and cities and let them be used in quieter areas. Not for residents I hope. I can't begin to imagine having to do everything by park and ride in a city the size of London. That's the very definition of a ball-ache. |
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Post by johnc on Dec 9, 2020 20:52:07 GMT
That's emigrating time Racing!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 23:11:31 GMT
I thought the park and ride system in London was called London Transport, or whatever name they give themselves now. Politicians don't want anyone living in big cities to have their own vehicle.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 10, 2020 8:37:30 GMT
Yeah, it might be sensible to just ban all ICE cars from towns and cities and let them be used in quieter areas. Not for residents I hope. I can't begin to imagine having to do everything by park and ride in a city the size of London. That's the very definition of a ball-ache. I’m assuming city dwellers would have gone electric. |
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Post by Blarno on Dec 10, 2020 10:17:52 GMT
Electric cars currently seem to be one or some of the following:
1 - Mind numbingly dull
2 - Overtly quirky design wise
3 - Massively expensive and destructively fast
I'd happily have something electric for going to and from work, but I'm unable to afford anything that would be even remotely desirable. An electric motorbike might fit the bill, but I don't trust anyone else on the road not to kill me.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 10, 2020 14:18:35 GMT
Not for residents I hope. I can't begin to imagine having to do everything by park and ride in a city the size of London. That's the very definition of a ball-ache. I’m assuming city dwellers would have gone electric. Under current plans the congestion charge will also apply to pure electric vehicles from 2025 so I wouldn't be so sure. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 10, 2020 14:22:50 GMT
That's emigrating time Racing! Indeed. Without wishing to sound too much like the writer Lawrence Durrell who scorned it as "pudding island", it's just one of many reasons to think about abandoning this damp, chilly and increasingly prissy little island. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Dec 24, 2020 12:32:31 GMT
Electric cars currently seem to be one or some of the following: 1 - Mind numbingly dull 2 - Overtly quirky design wise 3 - Massively expensive and destructively fast I'd happily have something electric for going to and from work, but I'm unable to afford anything that would be even remotely desirable. An electric motorbike might fit the bill, but I don't trust anyone else on the road not to kill me. As a self confessed disliker of electric cars and a believer that our headlong rush into an electrically driven future is the wrong path to take, I am not impressed by most electric cars at the moment. I haven't driven one and I have not even ridden in one so perhaps I should reserve some judgement. All that said, there's two cars that have actually managed to pique my interest a little. One is the Taycan and the other is (which particularly surprised me) the Mustang Mach E. Having watched Doug DeMuro's review I really rather like it. Even though it is electric, is a SUV and uses the Mustang name. |
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Post by johnc on Dec 24, 2020 13:51:33 GMT
You should try an i-Pace. Everything they say about the Mustang rings true for the Jag and it is monstrously fast with no effort. 0-60 in 4.5s but it feels quicker than that and it is so instant that you can leave anything standing in normal traffic. It handles really well, corners flat and has more grip than anything that weight has a right to have.
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Post by PG on Dec 24, 2020 14:29:30 GMT
I'd happily have something electric for going to and from work, but I'm unable to afford anything that would be even remotely desirable. An electric motorbike might fit the bill, but I don't trust anyone else on the road not to kill me. As a self confessed disliker of electric cars and a believer that our headlong rush into an electrically driven future is the wrong path to take, I am not impressed by most electric cars at the moment. I haven't driven one and I have not even ridden in one so perhaps I should reserve some judgement. All that said, there's two cars that have actually managed to pique my interest a little. One is the Taycan and the other is (which particularly surprised me) the Mustang Mach E. Having watched Doug DeMuro's review I really rather like it. Even though it is electric, is a SUV and uses the Mustang name. I've driven a Leaf and an i- Pace. Leaving aside charging infrastructure from the debate for the moment, if the ICE world is moving towards only 3 or 4 cylinder highly tuned engines (which seems to be the direction of travel) then a lot of character will be lost from ICE cars. Just look at over-egged pops and bangs and piped exhaust noise as more of the same loss of real character. In that situation, electric seems a whole lot more attractive, not only for white goods type cars but for performance as well. I'd echo what John says about the i Pace. If it was a choice between an i-Pace and a similar priced ICE car, it's not a clear cut decision any more to ICE. |
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