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Post by ChrisM on Nov 24, 2020 11:22:40 GMT
Will Leclerc do better than last year and survive any car failure?
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 29, 2020 19:41:46 GMT
Well, lucky Romain ! I can't recall seeing a car split into 2 like that since John Watson did it with a McLaren... a bit of research shows that was in 1981 at Monza.
Hope he's not inhaled any nasties in getting out of the wreckage, and wishing him a speedy recovery. If he does have broken ribs, as is being speculated on t'internet, I doubt that he will be able to drive next week, or possibly in the finale a week later. Maybe with no F1 drive lined up for next year, someone or something is trying to tell him to stop...
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 29, 2020 23:43:45 GMT
Well fuck me that was a huge crash. From the SKY TV frame by frame with Karun Chanduk I can only say that from my perspective it was 100% Crashjean's error (the initial crash, not the fact a car broke in half and caught fire and a barrier split in two) as he was pretty violent with his steering input that speared him across the track and ignorant of Kvyat even being on track, which is a Crashjean trait regularly seen in the mist of splitting carbon fibre as he decimates the field in his wake.
Grace of God he's alive.
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Post by Sav on Nov 30, 2020 0:55:34 GMT
Thank goodness for the Medical Car team. That whole set-up saved Grosjean’s live. The way the Merc sits at the back of the grid in case of any first-lap shenanigans, the fact that it’s a C63 so it can get there quickly, and their response was just fantastic and brave.
The late Professor Sid Watkins has a lot to be thankful for.
Grosjean was just crazy, it must be said. No doubt he wouldn’t have seen Kyvat in his right-side mirror. And that is precisely why one doesn’t make a big swerve across the track like that.
The angle of barriers has been a concern of mine for years. It’s resulted in some terrible impacts, in European series and in America. Where barriers are not parallel for service roads, it’s a problem. What I’ve discovered over the years, never think that race cars won’t crash in a particular area, they will. For me, road courses need the equivalent of the SAFER barrier in America. Armco is outdated now, and it’s time that a more energy-absorbing barrier was developed for road courses across the world. Tech-pro is impractical because it collapses with any real force. Before the SAFER barrier on ovals and mere concrete barriers, people thought that was the way things are. With a SAFER barrier, you still have awful shunts. The key aspect, is the level of energy dissipated on impact, it’s made a huge difference since the Indianapolis Motor Speedway introduced it.
Where I would not want SAFER-style barriers is for braking zones. A conveyor belt system with tyres is still more effective, if someone loses control and goes straight on; tyres still cushion the blow well.
But angles of walls, this has to be a priority.
IndyCar's medical response is similarly good in my view. They saved James Hinchcliffe's life at Indianapolis in qualifying when he had a wishbone fail. He was losing blood fast.
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Post by Sav on Nov 30, 2020 1:01:09 GMT
Its almost embarrassing watching Perez performing how he performs. So decent, so consistent and intelligent, yet he won't have a seat next year in F1.
Not a great race for Ocon. Ricciardo still managed to catch and pass him, despite falling backwards in the opening laps. It shows that the race pace of the really great drivers is the differentiator.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 30, 2020 9:42:43 GMT
Apparently, the part of the car in which Grosjean was sitting decelerated at 53G in the impact ..... it's quite surprising that he survived that, let alone the damage.
He was trapped with the car on its side, so he had to wriggle out before he could attempt to stand up - looks like he may have lost one of his racing boots (trapped in a deformed footwell? Whatever, it's a good job that he was not trapped by deformed bodywork or barrier because that fire looked pretty intense
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Post by Alex on Nov 30, 2020 10:41:37 GMT
I think Red Bull should look at replacing Albon with Perez. Albon is a nice lad but he's just not on the pace. His podium yesterday masks that fact that he couldn't catch Perez who in turn couldn't catch Max who was driving the same car as Albon and over the season he's been well off the pace. Red Bull need a good second driver if they are to stand any chance of closing the gap to Mercedes in the constructors championship and Perez would fit the bill quite nicely given he's a free agent. The logic of Red Bull in bringing on young talent is logical but there aren't that many Max or Lewis's out there and they need a better second car performance now.
If this is Grojeans last race its sadly a rather fitting end to his F1 career littered as it is with accidents that have a habit of being of his own doing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 10:44:50 GMT
We had something similar with an upside down Ferret but, having next to no gear had a less successful outcome.
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Post by Eff One on Nov 30, 2020 11:05:26 GMT
Far and away the most terrifying accident I've ever witnessed. Like some nightmare replay from the 70s, but in HD. Everyone is calling Grosjean's escape miraculous but it isn't, of course - it's a triumph of engineering, technology, training and decades of research. And the heroics of the marshals and medical car crew.
Just seen that Grosjean has been ruled out of next weekend's race which is no surprise - less than 117 hours between the accident and the start of FP1 on Friday. The burns will have been the deciding factor but after a 53G impact it would have been a big ask regardless.
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Post by Eff One on Nov 30, 2020 11:22:53 GMT
I think Red Bull should look at replacing Albon with Perez. Albon is a nice lad but he's just not on the pace. His podium yesterday masks that fact that he couldn't catch Perez who in turn couldn't catch Max who was driving the same car as Albon and over the season he's been well off the pace. Red Bull need a good second driver if they are to stand any chance of closing the gap to Mercedes in the constructors championship and Perez would fit the bill quite nicely given he's a free agent. The logic of Red Bull in bringing on young talent is logical but there aren't that many Max or Lewis's out there and they need a better second car performance now. If this is Grojeans last race its sadly a rather fitting end to his F1 career littered as it is with accidents that have a habit of being of his own doing. +1. I like Albon and he did do a solid job to rebound from the crash on Friday, put the car where it should be on the grid, and finish on the podium. He was pretty punchy on both starts, too. All good stuff. But the gap to Verstappen in both qualifying and a 'normal' (post accident) race was simply too big, and he was effectively beaten by a slower car. I'd like to see him stay in F1 alongside Gasly at AlphaTauri, and see how he gets on in a slightly less pressured environment. Perez is pure class and I'd love to see him get a shot in a Red Bull.
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2020 13:30:25 GMT
Lucky boy.
Hopefully that's the end of his F1 career though.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 30, 2020 15:10:00 GMT
The Grosjean hit was unreal, I've been slagging off the halo since the start but had to eat my words yesterday, if it wasn't there he'd have been decapitated. That was until Stroll turned his car upside down and was stuck in it. Chapeau for the safety crew, designers, FIA and Marshalls who all came together brilliantly.
As for the second Red Bull seat, it seems they have the same problem as Mercedes. Whoever you put into that seat is going to get their doors blown off and look distinctively second rate. They should have paid Ricciardo the big bucks a few years ago to keep him. Put Perez in that seat and he'll offer a decent alternative strategy on race day but think its a bit of a poisoned option. Its Max's team after all.
With Perez sponsorship money on the table It seems Engine supply is more important then cash. Otherwise he'd be a fit in at Williams over Russell, or either of the Haas seats. Can't work out why Alfa Romeo haven't taken him over Raikonnen though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 15:33:59 GMT
Why put Perez in a Williams and keep Latiffi? I would have thought Russel had proven himself by now in both quali and the race.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 30, 2020 15:51:00 GMT
With Perez sponsorship money on the table It seems Engine supply is more important then cash. Otherwise he'd be a fit in at Williams over Russell, or either of the Haas seats. Can't work out why Alfa Romeo haven't taken him over Raikonnen though. No danger for Russell's seat. Bottas off in 2022 and George in the big Merc. The Räikkönen one is easy: Sauber / Alfa have the same engine thing with Ferrari so the last Ferrari World Champion on the grid gets a drive if he wants one. He also sells a lot of merchandise. A lot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 16:15:43 GMT
Where would Bottas go apart from leaving F1? He might get a seat but a number one?
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 30, 2020 18:03:24 GMT
Why put Perez in a Williams and keep Latiffi? I would have thought Russel had proven himself by now in both quali and the race. Money. Mr Latiffi is RICH! I know Russells quick but its rather pointless having someone quick if your going tofinish last. You could put Hamilton in the car and Williams will be at the bottom of the table. Surely your better off with Sofina and Carlos Slim money then paying a driver. I really like Russell and hope he's the next big thing but think Williams could do with the money.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 30, 2020 19:23:11 GMT
Where would Bottas go apart from leaving F1? He might get a seat but a number one? Anywhere but Mercedes after the past three seasons of seldom bettering his team mate and never doing so when the chips were down. All this depends on the position of Toto in the set up - Russell included. What if Merc have an all-out onslaught in Le Mans or Indy and ask him to head it up? Or go off shore solar-boat racing? Or he just becomes the next Maradona and snorts and shags his way to an early death?
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2020 19:38:05 GMT
Or he just becomes the next Maradona and snorts and shags his way to an early death? I probably always sort of assumed that's Raikkonen's future
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 21:25:39 GMT
With the new money coming in and the team NEEDING results, Latiffi is just not worthy of F1 seat and Russell drives the socks off him. Kimi is definitely a different person with his wife and kids. Valteri just seems to be a beaten man pretty much but if that Le Mans thing turns up possibly he could fit the bill. The real risk would be Da Ham trying it someday. Alonso won but it was hardly competition was it and if he fails? Not a good look unless he banks on taking time to win and does it when there is real competition.
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Post by johnc on Dec 1, 2020 7:54:32 GMT
I read that Hamilton has tested positive for Covid and will miss the next Grand Prix
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 1, 2020 10:03:00 GMT
I read that Hamilton has tested positive for Covid and will miss the next Grand Prix Yes, being reported on Google news and the BBC for sure, maybe other news places too...... It's also likely that he will miss Abu Dhabi as well
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 1, 2020 10:16:24 GMT
So who gets a go in the fastest nag in he paddock? Vandoorne is their reserve driver if memory serves. Does this mean Bottas might actually find a way to win a race?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 10:31:23 GMT
Not confident of that, I think Max has the edge on him.
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Post by Eff One on Dec 1, 2020 10:33:59 GMT
That's a blow, hope Lewis gets well soon.
Stoffel Vandoorne is their reserve and was due to be in Bahrain anyway. But he hasn't raced an F1 car for two years. The most competitive option (and biggest crowdpleaser) would be Russell if they can prise him away from Williams. That could give Jack Aitken (Williams reserve) his F1 shot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 11:03:36 GMT
I would LIKE to see that.
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 1, 2020 11:21:50 GMT
I guess there's nothing more for Merc to achieve this year so in theory they could give me the drive and it would make no difference.
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Post by Martin on Dec 1, 2020 11:23:06 GMT
I'd love to see Russell in the car.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 12:02:52 GMT
It might make a huge difference to a certain Mr Russell, I think he has earned it.
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 1, 2020 12:04:21 GMT
..... The most competitive option (and biggest crowdpleaser) would be Russell if they can prise him away from Williams. That could give Jack Aitken (Williams reserve) his F1 shot. That would be brilliant, if it happens.......
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Post by johnc on Dec 1, 2020 13:39:07 GMT
I can't see Williams giving away the opportunity to potentially get a points finish unless they get a financial incentive. Maybe a couple of engines would seal the deal!
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