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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 30, 2020 20:07:44 GMT
Used BMW i3 Rex 65 plate, 14000 miles, grey with brown leather. 42 month PCP 3.9% at £277 per month.... 6 month warranty from a Lexus dealer. Sticker price £17995, 42 month residual OFP is £7000.
Or
Brand new 2020 Nissan Leaf N-Accenta in black on a 24 month PCH for £253 a month.
Aside from the ‘neither’, ‘get a V8’ , ‘I’d rather walk’ etc what would you do?
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 30, 2020 20:10:53 GMT
I quite like the new Leaf - it has grown up to be a proper car. Let's be honest, it has to be the newer, larger car for less when looking at electric.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 20:26:40 GMT
As I understand it the i3 Rex still has something of a motor under the hood (ICE) so range anxiety might be less but it still comes down (In my mind) to what you want it for and whether the electric jobbie will do you.
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Post by Blarno on Jul 30, 2020 20:32:11 GMT
I couldn't live with the hippy dippy interior of the i3, but I also couldn't live with myself for choosing the Leaf.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 30, 2020 20:36:13 GMT
I really liked the interior of the i3. The recycling stuff makes no odds.
The one I have found has some leather on the dash and eucalyptus wood.
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Post by michael on Jul 30, 2020 20:37:12 GMT
Probably the Leaf. The i3 is technically very interesting but a Leaf with a warranty is going to be the more reassuring buy.
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Post by bryan on Jul 30, 2020 20:53:06 GMT
I like the idea of rex but aren't they notoriously unreliable?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 21:01:25 GMT
I couldn't live with the hippy dippy interior of the i3, but I also couldn't live with myself for choosing the Leaf. Ditto, but the Nissan seems the more sensible option. Am I right in thinking that the engine in the i3 won't actually power the wheels? |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 30, 2020 21:05:10 GMT
Yes - 650cc motorbike twin that is just a generator. 2 gallon tank.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 30, 2020 21:17:31 GMT
I like the i3, the interior especially, but I’d take the Leaf. New v 5 year old. Easy decision for me.
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Post by Martin on Jul 30, 2020 21:18:57 GMT
As I’m not allowed to give the answer I want.....might as well get the Leaf as it’s new with a proper warranty and you’ll only have to keep it 2 years.
Why are you looking outside the Ford family?
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 30, 2020 21:31:17 GMT
Have you got kids?
I was speaking to someone recently who got his missus an i3 but apparently the suicide doors are a nightmare for getting kids in.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 30, 2020 21:41:19 GMT
Have you got kids? I was speaking to someone recently who got his missus an i3 but apparently the suicide doors are a nightmare for getting kids in. That surprises me because the near-identical suicide door on our old Mini Clubman was excellent and made entry and exit from a child seat a doddle. |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 30, 2020 21:56:10 GMT
A good question. We will have a wall charger as I am getting a Kuga PHEV so it makes some sense to look at Electric. Our second car will do fewer than 5000 miles, mostly urbanish so there is probably about £30 or so a month fuel saving.
Courier is £175 a month, but once it needs service and tax that adds the equivalent of, say, £25 a month, so man maths wise £250 per month for something else is broadly carryover. Possibly quite broad.
I had ordered a Mach-e, but as the residuals on electric cars seem to be nonsense it was looking like £600+ a month - crazy for a second car on low mileage.
I like the i3 and have a feeling it may become a ‘classic’ very quickly due to carbon tub, styling, interior etc. Quite expensive, but the approved used Lexus finance at 3.9% is very good. I think at 5000 miles a year a still low mileage 8 year old i3 will be worth a lot more than the £7k OFP.
The leaf deal I found today - contract hire so no residual risk. Only 24 months and a low deposit. Decent spec car that has 8 sec 0-60 and reasonable range.
Other courses of action include:
Do nothing
Get a mHEV Puma St Line X first edition for about £277 per month.
Get a Focus is some sort for £230 ish
Buy a 17 year old Jap import Merc CL500 For £6k
Buy a mk1 TT for £3 or £4K hoping to lose no money.
Buy the best Focus ST170 I can find with the same aim.
Buy a £2k To£5k car of some Description that will lose as little money as possible, and preferably be safe, fun, and not jam packed with other people’s sweat, toe jam and demon semen.
Too many options
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 30, 2020 21:58:50 GMT
Have you got kids? I was speaking to someone recently who got his missus an i3 but apparently the suicide doors are a nightmare for getting kids in. 1 6 year old. There could be an issue with the back door needing the front to be open, and that from the back you can’t close the front, which could be annoying. He’s not far off the height you can ditch a child seat, though we will no doubt keep it as long as possible. |
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 30, 2020 22:29:32 GMT
i3 REX. Didn't need to think about it.
I will never be old enough to drive a Nissan Leaf.
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Post by Tim on Jul 31, 2020 8:21:29 GMT
If you're stuck with those 2 then the Leaf. I'm sure I read that the i3 Rex had a pitiful range even with the ICE (a 2 gallon tank isn't going to get you far).
Also with a carbon tub isn't the i3 insurance likely to be scary?
Plus it was a trailblazer of new tech for BMW and I'd be concerned about increasing unreliability as it gets older whereas the Leaf is fairly well known tech.
I don't think the tests of the i3 were impressed with stuff like ride comfort and suicide rear doors are a gimmick - my Dad had a Meriva with them and while great in theory there's a lot of pissing about opening the front door (surprisingly annoying) and then you're inevitably sitting behind the c-pillar so when you exit you have to shuffle forwards first before climbing out which is a nuisance when you only ever do it once let alone every day!
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 31, 2020 10:43:02 GMT
The i3 will be out of its battery and power train warranty before you’ve finished paying for it
The latest Leaf is much closer to the i3 in terms of range and performance than the first gen, so i would go for the Leaf
What are the deposits required ?
You can borrow 18k over 5 years on a loan for a smidge over 320 a month, might be better to get a loan for the i3 and get rid with 18 months battery warranty remaining
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Post by PG on Jul 31, 2020 12:57:50 GMT
By the time you finish the contract on the i3 it'll be 9+ years old. I'd not want that tech out of warranty as I remember reading that the Rex engine is notoriously unreliable and the costs of replacing them under warranty was one of the underlying reasons to drop the Rex and do EV only.
So on a safety first basis, get the Leaf. As a second car it makes absolute sense. 24 months only, no worries, no hassle. You do realise that you can't charge both cars at once on the wall charger?
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 31, 2020 13:39:14 GMT
[quote You do realise that you can't charge both cars at once on the wall charger?[/quote]
I do! The Leaf would only need charging once a week probably.
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Post by Alex on Jul 31, 2020 18:30:22 GMT
If this is going to be a second car could you perhaps look at the Renault Zoe? I don't think it has the range of the Leaf or the interior space but could fit in with what you need of it.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 31, 2020 20:19:04 GMT
The range in the new one is very good I think . Wife hates is so a no go.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Aug 2, 2020 12:22:11 GMT
Do any of you BMW anoraks/nerds/dweebs/losers have a way to get the spec list from a vin?
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Post by Andy C on Aug 2, 2020 18:34:23 GMT
Do any of you BMW anoraks/nerds/dweebs/losers have a way to get the spec list from a vin? |
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Post by Martin on Aug 2, 2020 18:38:03 GMT
Do any of you BMW anoraks/nerds/dweebs/losers have a way to get the spec list from a vin? No idea, as I've always known what the spec is through the price list and looking at the car. A main dealer will be able to print the spec list, but failing that I've googled the question and there are a number of options..... f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1303748Thanks for dragging me in Andy, I was going to ignore the request due to the rudeness.....   |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Aug 2, 2020 18:59:12 GMT
Learn to love who you are Martin. Moot as it turns out as the dealer took a deposit on the one I was looking at.
Had a test drive though in a pretty new one. Fast, roomy, small footprint - like it a lot. More importantly the wife really likes them.
Having had a look I think the pro nav needs to be had as otherwise the screen is super crappy.
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Post by Andy C on Aug 2, 2020 19:06:53 GMT
No idea, as I've always known what the spec is through the price list and looking at the car. A main dealer will be able to print the spec list, but failing that I've googled the question and there are a number of options..... f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1303748Thanks for dragging me in Andy, I was going to ignore the request due to the rudeness..... No prob whatsoever . As soon as I read it I thought ‘martin’ |
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Post by Martin on Aug 2, 2020 20:12:10 GMT
No idea, as I've always known what the spec is through the price list and looking at the car. A main dealer will be able to print the spec list, but failing that I've googled the question and there are a number of options..... f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1303748Thanks for dragging me in Andy, I was going to ignore the request due to the rudeness..... No prob whatsoever . As soon as I read it I thought ‘martin’ I do hope it was BMW and spec list that made you think of me rather than loser!  |
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Post by johnc on Aug 3, 2020 15:35:43 GMT
I've driven the i3 a couple of times and think it is a thoroughly good car. Reasonably nippy with a premium feel and a good ride/roll compromise. I haven't heard about problems with the range extender versions but that would worry me and would have me searching forums etc.
I've only been in a previous model Leaf and wasn't really convinced although it went pretty well - the owner changed it for a Kia electric car just a couple of weeks ago because he was tired of range anxiety (about 120 - 140 miles was as good as it got and he often had to undertake trips around the 100 mile range which always worried him in case he hit problems or detours)
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Post by cbeaks1 on Aug 4, 2020 18:40:55 GMT
Bought one. Probably won’t pick it up till the 28th as it is down South somewhere.
Iconic Silver Loft 60AH Rex with pro nav, nice wheels and some concierge bollocks. 63 plate but only 39000 miles. Full BMW service history, new tyres, new mot, nearly a year till service, and a proper BMW approved used sale so a years warranty and they make it look nice. First non Ford since about 2009 I think, so odds on it will blow up or give me an STD.
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