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Post by PG on Jul 23, 2020 9:42:39 GMT
I see that TVR are now saying that the new car will be ready in 18 months. Excuse my cynicism, but isn't that what they said about 18 months ago? Oh, and of course that depends on them raising another £25 milion in funding. On the bond market. I reckon the terms for those bonds will be pretty steep.... By 2022, will there really be a market for a 5 litre Ford engined V8 sports car (that is now said to be going to cost £100k)? Or maybe, following the rules on contra-investment, as there may well be no other newly released V8 sports cars by then, they might sell thousands and thousands. I do wish them well, but I can't help thinking this is not going to turn out well. www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/exclusive-tvr-outlines-18-month-plan-begin-griffith-production
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 23, 2020 10:08:51 GMT
Hopefully the Ford V8 engined sports car market will still be filled by Ford.
Speaking of which it is an unbelievable time to buy a V8 Mustang eg £2k deposit, £439 per month (38 months 0% PCP). OFP £22336.
Auto for £1k down, £499.87 per month (38 month OFP £23084).
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 23, 2020 10:17:36 GMT
Maybe TVR can go halvsies with Ineos on one of the French sites. They are 18 months from launch as well
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 23, 2020 10:27:32 GMT
At least they have a billionaire sugar daddy.
Quite a good idea though - all the loons could get a few cars built on some sort of ultra adaptable line, and there would be 2000hp hybrid super SUV’s everywhere. The Donkernator could finally hit production.
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Post by Stuntman on Jul 24, 2020 20:28:23 GMT
Russ, do you have any inside info on whether Ford will bring a RHD Mustang Mach 1 to the UK? I'd probably be in the market if so, the M3 might have to go!
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 24, 2020 21:12:48 GMT
Ross, but I’ll let you off. No plans I am aware of so far, just the Bullitt and the 55 special edition.
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Post by Stuntman on Jul 26, 2020 13:24:08 GMT
(Sorry Ross) Thanks! I do like the Bullitt but the Mach 1 would be right up my street.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jul 27, 2020 10:09:29 GMT
What's up with the M3?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 27, 2020 15:48:00 GMT
Doesn’t go Mach 1 I suppose.
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 27, 2020 19:24:44 GMT
TVR have turned themselves into a laughing stock IMO. A real shame.
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 27, 2020 20:36:40 GMT
Would TVR have been better off resto modding existing TVR models ?
A rebuilt and improved Tuscan, T350, Cerbera or Griffith would have gone down better than the swamp donkey they want £100k for.
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 27, 2020 21:07:42 GMT
I think so. Certainly it could have helped finance their new car. Str8Six did a LS conversion on a Tuscan some years ago. It was awesome.
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Post by PG on Jul 28, 2020 7:36:58 GMT
Would TVR have been better off resto modding existing TVR models ? A rebuilt and improved Tuscan, T350, Cerbera or Griffith would have gone down better than the swamp donkey they want £100k for. I think that would have been a much better idea. Just look at the amazing JLR Classic Works facility to see what a good idea that would have been.
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Post by Stuntman on Jul 29, 2020 7:41:12 GMT
Doesn’t go Mach 1 I suppose. Nothing's up with the M3, it's just that I would honestly be tempted to change it for a Mustang Mach 1 for a different kind of V8 experience. One of the few criticisms that you can level at the M3 is that it doesn't sound enough like a traditional V8 and it's rather quiet in the cabin unless you cane it. I suspect that all the current V8 Mustangs have a more exhuberant vocal character.
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Post by Martin on Jul 29, 2020 7:55:22 GMT
The latest ones with the sports exhaust are pretty loud, the one we had for a week last year did sound very good and there was a lot to like. The automatic gearbox and all season tyres weren't good, but overall we really liked it.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 29, 2020 12:22:41 GMT
Would TVR have been better off resto modding existing TVR models ? A rebuilt and improved Tuscan, T350, Cerbera or Griffith would have gone down better than the swamp donkey they want £100k for. Who exactly are the target customers of the "new" TVR ?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 29, 2020 12:29:17 GMT
Would TVR have been better off resto modding existing TVR models ? A rebuilt and improved Tuscan, T350, Cerbera or Griffith would have gone down better than the swamp donkey they want £100k for. Who exactly are the target customers of the "new" TVR ? Movie stars, baby. Movie stars.
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 30, 2020 10:21:08 GMT
When was Swordfish released ? - 2001 ?.
That would make the Tuscan a nigh on 20 year old design, and it still looks fabulous.
In fact - I think you could launch that today as it's still modern, fresh and other designery adjectives.
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Post by scouse on Jul 30, 2020 10:45:12 GMT
maybe it's my naivity, but I think the problem they've had is this desire to make a splash with volume numbers for what is a niche market. What was TVR making at it's high point? 2, 3000 cars a year? but it took the best part of 20 years under Peter Wheeler to get there. Like Mark & Pete said, starting with refurbished/updated Wheeler era cars and working with the existing specialists such as Str8six would have made sense and got the money coming in..
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 30, 2020 15:23:02 GMT
Nice Tuscans, T350s and Tamoras are still surprisingly expensive - really nice ones with great histories are up towards £40k with some nearer £45k.
That tells me there would likely be a market for restored/upgraded examples of the above offered under the TVR banner although I am not sure if the Chims would be as viable as a T350 or a Tuscan.
If this was rolled in with the parts manufacture/sale and factory maintenance (not sure who owns the parts rights, or all the old tooling), it could be a fun little business.
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 30, 2020 18:36:35 GMT
TVR already own the parts business under the TVR Heritage banner. They have dealers signed up as official TVR service centres. As far as I know, Dom at TVR Power bought lots of tooling and the rights to the engines when they folded. I may be wrong on that. What I do know is that he wanted nothing to do with the new TVR as a Service Centre. The deal was very one sided from what I gather.
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Post by Blarno on Jul 31, 2020 7:31:16 GMT
Would TVR have been better off resto modding existing TVR models ? A rebuilt and improved Tuscan, T350, Cerbera or Griffith would have gone down better than the swamp donkey they want £100k for. A Griff with modern mechanicals would be beyond epic. Stick an LS1 in it, fit brakes that aren't from an Escort XR3i and add some switchable driver aids for the non-Queefs of the world.
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Post by Alex on Aug 1, 2020 11:24:10 GMT
The Tuscan is indeed still a great design that if released today would look fresh and modern. The other cars from that era (T350 etc) are a bit meh in comparison. The only other one that came close was the Sagaris but that always felt a bit fussy like they were trying too hard at the time.
I always loved the Griffith, Chaemera and Cerbera but Mark's experience of ownership was quite eye opening to the potential mechanical and structural flaws that were built into them. As a car they look great, sound great and go like stink. But as an ownership proposition they must be incredibly frustrating. I know that an epic drive will quickly bring forgiveness but the new TVRs will have to get the quality nailed down a lot better because buyers of new cars like that these days wont accept a chassis that rots in less than a decade.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 1, 2020 12:54:07 GMT
Watching Wheeler Dealers on Quest yesterday and Cheeky Chappy Cockney Mike Brewers picked up a lovely Cerbera for 8k.
Of course it required a complete new chassis....
I felt a strong sense of deja vu.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 14:37:28 GMT
Is there a stainless version of those chassis?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 1, 2020 22:01:49 GMT
Is there a stainless version of those chassis? The cost to produce and weld it in stainless would be prohibitive. Good replacement chassis are powder coated.
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Post by Alex on Aug 3, 2020 7:54:48 GMT
Watching Wheeler Dealers on Quest yesterday and Cheeky Chappy Cockney Mike Brewers picked up a lovely Cerbera for 8k. Of course it required a complete new chassis.... I felt a strong sense of deja vu. I bet he went at it with a rattle can instead!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 3, 2020 8:01:36 GMT
Watching Wheeler Dealers on Quest yesterday and Cheeky Chappy Cockney Mike Brewers picked up a lovely Cerbera for 8k. Of course it required a complete new chassis.... I felt a strong sense of deja vu. I bet he went at it with a rattle can instead! Au contraire! Full body off and new chassis with heat treated coating finish.
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Post by LandieMark on Aug 3, 2020 8:30:27 GMT
Is there a stainless version of those chassis? The cost to produce and weld it in stainless would be prohibitive. Good replacement chassis are powder coated. In hindsight, I should have had mine painted with 2k epoxy instead of powder coat. The reason I struggled to sell it was that the powder coating was failing again.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 3, 2020 9:36:20 GMT
The cost to produce and weld it in stainless would be prohibitive. Good replacement chassis are powder coated. In hindsight, I should have had mine painted with 2k epoxy instead of powder coat. The reason I struggled to sell it was that the powder coating was failing again. The original powder coating on this one had failed around all the joints so they had dangerously corroded. The new one had an electrostatically applied coating that was baked off in the oven. Supposedly better than the original TVR one. We used to employ TVR's former machine shop manager and he said they were a distinctly odd company in the way they went about things.
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