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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 16:01:52 GMT
Tis but a game, sir. You'd choose an economical X5 over a Lamborghini or Maserati? At least make it an X5M if that's what you want!
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Post by Martin on Jun 30, 2020 16:12:10 GMT
Tis but a game, sir. You'd choose an economical X5 over a Lamborghini or Maserati? At least make it an X5M if that's what you want! Fast SUVs are pointless. I thought speed would help with the transition to an SUV, but it really didn't.
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Post by PG on Jun 30, 2020 18:31:29 GMT
So, come on everyone, if you had to have one of these, cost no object, which one would it be?... Surely the question is actually "and what color would sir like his FFRR to be?" The rest are just imitators of the original is various guises.
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 30, 2020 21:21:23 GMT
I'd probably go for either a Range Rover Sport SVR, an F-Pace SVR, a Cayenne Coupe GTS or indeed a Urus. Own money and gun to head? The F-Pace.
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 30, 2020 21:23:23 GMT
Tis but a game, sir. You'd choose an economical X5 over a Lamborghini or Maserati? At least make it an X5M if that's what you want! Fast SUVs are pointless. I thought speed would help with the transition to an SUV, but it really didn't. Interesting point of view. In my view (clearly not being part of the target market), all such vehicles are silly, so I want one that looks silly and makes a silly noise
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:36:51 GMT
Exactly. If you're gonna have one, make sure it makes a nice noise at the very least.
Levante Trofeo, Jag/RR SVR, Stelvio QF, Lamborghini Urus - I'm looking at you guys! Come to think of it, I reckon the V6 Jag sounds better than the full fat V8...
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 30, 2020 21:38:58 GMT
You need to drive one if you're serious, I had one (a 30d admittedly) for a week and wasn't that impressed and the interior/new tech is a step backwards from yours even with Full Merino leather. If you chose Merino with the leather dash, it's just the dash top/door tops that are leather, the rest is padded pleather. You only get the adjustable/reclining rear seats with the 7 seat option as well, unlike most other similar cars which have some adjustability. The Cayenne e-Hybrid is a much nicer car, what's the tax like on those? I agree I will have to drive one and the 45e doesn't get the 7 seats - something about a gigantic battery pack. The Cayenne is crap tax-wise as it doesn't do the 50+ electric only miles which is why I looked at the Taycan but not sure I'm ready for battery only. Also remember that I hardly spend any time in any car compared to many. Anyway not much car activity until September: just rented a huge house on the outskirts of Nice for a family gathering in July, then off to see mum then still expecting to make Turkey at the end of August.
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Post by Martin on Jun 30, 2020 21:40:14 GMT
Fast SUVs are pointless. I thought speed would help with the transition to an SUV, but it really didn't. Interesting point of view. In my view (clearly not being part of the target market), all such vehicles are silly, so I want one that looks silly and makes a silly noise When I wasn’t in the market for one, I thought broadly the same as you, but silly performance rather than silly noise. When it came to needing one and properly looking, the faster ones just seemed to be at odds with themselves.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 1, 2020 9:56:50 GMT
If I was going to get a SUV, it would probably be a Velar in some sort of six-cylinder format. I did like the one we rented last year and it seemed to have lots of the advantages with fewer of the disadvantages.
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Post by Martin on Jul 1, 2020 10:10:13 GMT
If I was going to get a SUV, it would probably be a Velar in some sort of six-cylinder format. I did like the one we rented last year and it seemed to have lots of the advantages with fewer of the disadvantages. It doesn't look it, but the Velar is pretty much the same size as the Sport, just 3 inches shorter and 1.5 inches narrower. It feels a lot smaller inside as well, but it does have a decent size boot.
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 1, 2020 12:34:08 GMT
RRS Autobiography V8 petrol
Almost all of the straight line grunt of the SVR without the shouty bits and pieces
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 1, 2020 12:37:30 GMT
Engine-wise yes. Just don't really like the look of the Sport. It doesn't matter to me whether a Velar feels smaller inside than a RRS. We found the one we had provided ample space for us.
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Post by Martin on Jul 1, 2020 12:54:12 GMT
Engine-wise yes. Just don't really like the look of the Sport. It doesn't matter to me whether a Velar feels smaller inside than a RRS. We found the one we had provided ample space for us. I know it won't be too small for you, I was just commenting that it's surprising how a car that's not much bigger on the outside can feel so much bigger on the inside. I've not driven a Velour, so don't know how it compares to a Sport, but Pete will know.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 1, 2020 13:52:35 GMT
A neighbour swopped his Sport for a Velar and it does look a more aesthetically pleasing package.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 1, 2020 13:54:03 GMT
As a family bus, I’d get a Top spec xc90 T8, hugely impressed with ours as it’s just so fit or purpose. If it was for me only, I’d get either a Jag Fpace SVR or an Alfa Stelvio QV.
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 1, 2020 15:36:13 GMT
Of course, this is all in one’s humble opinion so there is no right or wrong answer, but I prefer the Sport to the Velar and the RR for the following reasons:
•It’s the best looking one – the Velar has some exceptional angles, but also some challenging aspects (rear ¾). I like the chunk factor in my SUV and RRS is the chunkiest of the three.
•I prefer the interior – specifically, the centre console treatment in the Sport is my favourite (love the F-Type trigger selector mech more than the selector knob in Velar and RR). It’s more car like to sit in and it strikes the best balance between Lugzuree and Sportz. It’s a big step up from the Velar and not that far off the RR in terms of acreage of interior bits wrapped in soft grain and alcantara.
•I think it has the best balance of on road behaviours in that it has 99.5% of the refinement of the big boy, but it is much closer to the Velar in terms of appetite for and precision through bendy bits. This is the most important bit for me because I still want to enjoy driving quickly when no one is looking.
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Post by Ben on Jul 1, 2020 15:47:00 GMT
I like the RR Sport, but if I'm going to be practical I'd rather do it properly, so I'll get a Volvo XC90.
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Post by Andy C on Jul 1, 2020 15:51:10 GMT
Stelvio QF for me
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Post by michael on Jul 1, 2020 15:51:14 GMT
I like the RR Sport, but if I'm going to be practical I'd rather do it properly, so I'll get a Volvo XC90. Surely in those circumstances doing it properly is a VW Transporter?
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Post by Ben on Jul 1, 2020 15:54:38 GMT
I like the RR Sport, but if I'm going to be practical I'd rather do it properly, so I'll get a Volvo XC90. Surely in those circumstances doing it properly is a VW Transporter? That's cool too. I like large vans with backwards facing seats and a table in the middle. Lots of things you can do...
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Post by Martin on Jul 1, 2020 16:03:25 GMT
Of course, this is all in one’s humble opinion so there is no right or wrong answer, but I prefer the Sport to the Velar and the RR for the following reasons: •It’s the best looking one – the Velar has some exceptional angles, but also some challenging aspects (rear ¾). I like the chunk factor in my SUV and RRS is the chunkiest of the three. •I prefer the interior – specifically, the centre console treatment in the Sport is my favourite (love the F-Type trigger selector mech more than the selector knob in Velar and RR). It’s more car like to sit in and it strikes the best balance between Lugzuree and Sportz. It’s a big step up from the Velar and not that far off the RR in terms of acreage of interior bits wrapped in soft grain and alcantara. •I think it has the best balance of on road behaviours in that it has 99.5% of the refinement of the big boy, but it is much closer to the Velar in terms of appetite for and precision through bendy bits. This is the most important bit for me because I still want to enjoy driving quickly when no one is looking. I wanted to like the Sport more because they are £10-12k less on a broadly like for like basis, so an SDV8 Autobiography Dynamic, but whilst it's very well equipped it is missing a couple of things I wanted as standard (most used ones have very few options, mainly just the surround cameras and a tow bar), the rear centre seat wasn't as comfortable and it's just not as nice or feel as special as an overall package. You can't have a luxury car without soft close doors or massage seats! (They weren't the only things I wanted btw!) Agree with you on the Velar rear 3/4, it's not good at all. A neighbour has just bought one, in black to match his wife's Ewok convertible, it looks great parked next to that!
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 1, 2020 20:52:11 GMT
Its the details that set the RR apart from the RRS (toys aside), the standard of the trimming and materials of the lower environment is higher and the colour palettes are broader/richer. In fact, richer is probably the best adjective to use.
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Post by Tim on Jul 2, 2020 10:12:57 GMT
If I had to get a 4x4 then I think I'd make it a proper one like a Landcruiser. I'm not interested in something like an X5M because although I like going fast I also like going round corners fast too and I'm not sure I'd be happy doing that in something so high up.
On the rare occasions I've driven something like a Discovery I find myself falling into the relaxed cruising mode, one arm along the window sill not rushing around or driving like a twat. Adding stiff suspension and silly power doesn't sound like it has any point. Maybe if I shaved my head and went to the gym a lot I'd change my mind though.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 3, 2020 10:50:04 GMT
Of course, this is all in one’s humble opinion so there is no right or wrong answer, but I prefer the Sport to the Velar and the RR for the following reasons: •It’s the best looking one – the Velar has some exceptional angles, but also some challenging aspects (rear ¾). I like the chunk factor in my SUV and RRS is the chunkiest of the three. •I prefer the interior – specifically, the centre console treatment in the Sport is my favourite (love the F-Type trigger selector mech more than the selector knob in Velar and RR). It’s more car like to sit in and it strikes the best balance between Lugzuree and Sportz. It’s a big step up from the Velar and not that far off the RR in terms of acreage of interior bits wrapped in soft grain and alcantara. •I think it has the best balance of on road behaviours in that it has 99.5% of the refinement of the big boy, but it is much closer to the Velar in terms of appetite for and precision through bendy bits. This is the most important bit for me because I still want to enjoy driving quickly when no one is looking. I bore all of this in mind when a late-model RRS drove past me slowly last night. It didn't help that it was white but two things struck me: 1. I see what you mean about the chunk factor and realise that this is precisely what I dislike about it - especially around the rear door/rear wheel arch where the RRS distinctly suffers from a bit of a bloke with muffin-top in t-shirt look. 2. All current Range Rovers have a challenging rear 3/4 aspect. They all tend to look pinched and too narrow for the rest of the car, and the RRS is no exception.
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Post by Eff One on Jul 3, 2020 11:15:44 GMT
If I had to get a 4x4 then I think I'd make it a proper one like a Landcruiser. This. Or possibly the Volvo, which at least isn't trying to be something it's not. You'd have to hold a gun to my head, mind. I couldn't bear the thought of being in a Lamborghini or Porsche that wasn't a Huracan or Cayman/911. Same for Maserati and Alfa.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 3, 2020 13:55:06 GMT
If I had to get a 4x4 then I think I'd make it a proper one like a Landcruiser. This. Or possibly the Volvo, which at least isn't trying to be something it's not. You'd have to hold a gun to my head, mind. I couldn't bear the thought of being in a Lamborghini or Porsche that wasn't a Huracan or Cayman/911. Same for Maserati and Alfa. I can make an exception for the Stelvio Quadrifoglio. And the Macan Turbo/GTS is quite tempting too. I have a friend with a Macan Turbo and it's a very nice thing. Talking of Macans, I was amused this morning to receive a WhatsApp from a friend in France, who said his mother-in-law had taken her relatively tasteful metallic grey 2016 Cayenne e-Hybrid to the local Porsche dealer (Frejus I presume) for a service and had instead come back in a new white Macan GTS " avec toutes les options de lux...une folie", having done a spur of the moment part-exchange.
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Post by alf on Jul 7, 2020 13:40:37 GMT
That list is just 9 different ways of saying "no" to me. Eurrgh!
a Q3 RS, or the Alfa Stelvio Quadriwhateverthefitsactuallycalled would suit me, as would the F Pace SVR - but not many others. And I'd still cry in every corner...
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 7, 2020 13:45:33 GMT
That list is just 9 different ways of saying "no" to me. Eurrgh! a Q3 RS, or the Alfa Stelvio Quadriwhateverthefitsactuallycalled would suit me, as would the F Pace SVR - but not many others. And I'd still cry in every corner... I think we know where you might get a deal on one of these .. .. ..
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Post by Martin on Jul 7, 2020 14:00:45 GMT
That list is just 9 different ways of saying "no" to me. Eurrgh! a Q3 RS, or the Alfa Stelvio Quadriwhateverthefitsactuallycalled would suit me, as would the F Pace SVR - but not many others. And I'd still cry in every corner... I think we know where you might get a deal on one of these .. .. .. Won't be much of a deal....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 16:58:22 GMT
That list is just 9 different ways of saying "no" to me. Eurrgh! a Q3 RS, or the Alfa Stelvio Quadriwhateverthefitsactuallycalled would suit me, as would the F Pace SVR - but not many others. And I'd still cry in every corner... Exactly how fast do you want to go around corners? Did you know that the RS Q8 and the Porsche Taycan have the exact same Nurburgring time?
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