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Post by racingteatray on Dec 13, 2020 22:24:37 GMT
Now it is being built in France, the French government will buy it for their police, armed services etc. Whether it is suitable or not is irrelevant of course. But I reckon they've just kissed goodbye to many UK sales. Why? It's not like we don't buy Audis and BMWs by the boatload. |
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Post by michael on Dec 13, 2020 22:49:40 GMT
I’m not sure buyers of this are the same type of people who buy Audi and BMWs. Im not really sure who’s going to buy it at all but I’m sure Ineos have that better sussed than me.
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Post by PG on Dec 14, 2020 10:34:32 GMT
Now it is being built in France, the French government will buy it for their police, armed services etc. Whether it is suitable or not is irrelevant of course. But I reckon they've just kissed goodbye to many UK sales. Why? It's not like we don't buy Audis and BMWs by the boatload. Well, all the old Defender die-hards who said that not only was the new Defender not really a Defender but also that building it in Slovakia was even worse are probably not going to buy one. Plus as they've played up the "British icon being replaced" sales pitch, building in France is not really in line with that. As bob said, it's a different market to Audi, BMW and Merc buyers. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 14, 2020 10:44:51 GMT
Are there that many of those? Or are they just a subset of what we are constantly told is only a very small minority of British people for whom such things matter?
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 14, 2020 11:30:34 GMT
If Santana went out of business selling their knock off Defenders I fail to see how Grenadier are going to achieve any greater success. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see why anyone would want one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 12:16:47 GMT
I get the impression they are selling at or near the price of an actual Defender, What is the point at that price level?
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 14, 2020 18:40:09 GMT
I get the impression they are selling at or near the price of an actual Defender, What is the point at that price level? ^ Indeed, the pricing truly puzzled me when it was announced. I'd imagined a base vehicle around the £20k to £25k mark |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 14, 2020 20:46:30 GMT
I get the impression they are selling at or near the price of an actual Defender, What is the point at that price level? ^ Indeed, the pricing truly puzzled me when it was announced. I'd imagined a base vehicle around the £20k to £25k mark Really?  ? How on earth would you come to that figure? You can pay that for a Fiesta. A basic Landcruiser starts at £43-44k and that’s with all the economies of scale of a the huge Toyota Motor Corp. |
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 14, 2020 20:58:23 GMT
... because I thought that the Grenadier was going to be "basic" along the lines of the original Defender
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Post by michael on Dec 14, 2020 21:37:03 GMT
... because I thought that the Grenadier was going to be "basic" along the lines of the original Defender I doubt a Defender price was ever comparable with a Fiesta. Basic might mean manual windows and mirrors (doubt it in this case) but for a vehicle like this it does not mean basic suspension, transmission and drivetrain. This will be comprehensive, heavy duty and quite expensive. There's no way a vehicle like this could be done that cheap and I'm honestly surprised someone with an engineering background could think otherwise.
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 14, 2020 21:38:36 GMT
Yes, it would make more sense if it were priced to compete with the the likes of the L200 or Navara. Those spending Land Rover money are going to want a Land Rover.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 21:48:30 GMT
I believe they were talking about pricing it in the £25k region when they started.
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Post by michael on Dec 14, 2020 21:48:56 GMT
I don't think the price is the issue, for me it's the volumes they need to shift. A VW Transporter 4Motion will set you back nearly as much.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 15, 2020 14:41:14 GMT
... because I thought that the Grenadier was going to be "basic" along the lines of the original Defender I guarantee you JLR couldn’t set up a production line and build an original basic Defender for under £40k. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 16:28:40 GMT
Well it's an eu business now so he was obviously really keen on retaining British status but sadly HAS to chase the defence sales. I think he might find things have moved on a very long way since new Land Rovers were bought by the military acquirers. I really cannot see any para military force wanting them either.
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 15, 2020 19:18:58 GMT
... because I thought that the Grenadier was going to be "basic" along the lines of the original Defender I guarantee you JLR couldn’t set up a production line and build an original basic Defender for under £40k. Indeed. I understand that one of the reasons the original Defender was discontinued was that it was so expensive to build. A Navara or similar is much cheaper to build. |
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Post by michael on Dec 15, 2020 19:26:29 GMT
The comments under posts for this on the Ineos Facebook feed are entirely predictable.
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 17, 2021 20:16:57 GMT
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Post by PG on Feb 18, 2021 14:23:13 GMT
From the video, judging by how many parts are in the bodyshell, they must have just taken a 110 Defender apart and copied as many of the bits as possible.  |
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Post by Martin on Feb 18, 2021 14:35:03 GMT
From the video, judging by how many parts are in the bodyshell, they must have just taken a 110 Defender apart and copied as many of the bits as possible. They should have just popped round to see Mark and saved themselves the effort of pulling one apart! |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 18, 2021 14:42:55 GMT
From the video, judging by how many parts are in the bodyshell, they must have just taken a 110 Defender apart and copied as many of the bits as possible. They should have just popped round to see Mark and saved themselves the effort of pulling one apart! Definitely think he could have got a Technical Consultant gig. |
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Post by michael on Jul 7, 2021 10:41:33 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 7, 2021 12:01:21 GMT
Did Amstrad do the centre console stack?  |
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Post by PG on Jul 7, 2021 12:41:21 GMT
I'm not really sure what I think about that interior.
On the up-side, roof mounted switches are always a cool thing and the central switch stack looks like a combination of expensive hi-fi and military radio styling. Again, cool.
But on the downside, the screen looks like a direct lift off BMW, the steering wheel is ugly and the rest of the interior reminds me that they've basically just put an old Defender on the photocopier. The whole thing really does not gel together at all. But it might look a lot better in the metal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 13:24:56 GMT
Far too 'busy' and no in an elegant way either. Like one of those naffed up tweek style cars. The Pug 306 with half an inch of ground clearance and a houehold stereo system grafted inside. Yuk. Defender all the way for me.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 7, 2021 18:05:46 GMT
Did Amstrad do the centre console stack? Kind-of my first thought too ! It's not very elegant, is it? |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 7, 2021 18:55:12 GMT
It is a good old-fashioned button fest. I like it.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 7, 2021 19:25:39 GMT
Still don't get it and the interiors not changed my mind
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Post by Blarno on Jul 8, 2021 7:16:44 GMT
I'm not sure how luxury and utility work together?
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Post by Tim on Jul 8, 2021 8:09:27 GMT
Buttons in the roof?
Remember the outrage when Alfa put the window switches up there on the 75?
Having driven a 75 on a number of occasions I don't see the problem. It's no worse then, say, the Sierra window switches being behind the gearlever.
I presume they're meant to evoke delusions of piloting your own private jet, while surrounded by squeaky plastic.
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? How on earth would you come to that figure? You can pay that for a Fiesta. A basic Landcruiser starts at £43-44k and that’s with all the economies of scale of a the huge Toyota Motor Corp. 
