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Post by Alex on May 12, 2020 7:47:39 GMT
Freshly announced this morning, contract talks have broken down and Vettel has decided to leave at the end of this season (whenever that will be). The rumour mill is already gearing up to link Hamilton with his seat of course but I don't think it will happen. My feeling is that Ferarri will be building their team around LeClerc to be their next champion. I'm sure the temptation to try and lure Lewis will be strong but I don't think it makes sense for either party. Better to get an experienced regular points scorer to act as second driver to LeClerc, someone like Magnusson or Danii Kvyat.
Big news whatever they do and of course where will Vettel go? I could see him going back to Red Bull but they want Max to be their next champion so would it really work?
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Post by ChrisM on May 12, 2020 7:56:59 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on May 12, 2020 8:25:38 GMT
Ricciardo turned down Mclaren who were courting him big time before he joined Renault so can't see that one other then the move of a desperate man.
Ferrari are Ferrari. The Prancing Horse can attract any driver out there so can't see why they'd want some also ran like Sainz or Kvyat, might as well get Kimi back in the car. Even in Schumachers day they signed drivers who they thought bloody fast before Michael gave them the beat down. I'd like to see a seat swap with Hamilton to see if he can live with Leclerc.
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Post by Eff One on May 12, 2020 8:44:45 GMT
Sainz is bloody good and would push Leclerc hard without question. But Ricciardo is surely a no-brainer for Ferrari, and vice-versa.
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Post by humphreythepug on May 12, 2020 8:51:18 GMT
Vettel will be off from F1.
My guess is Sainz to Ferrari and Ricciardo to McLaren.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 12, 2020 8:53:40 GMT
Ricciardo for Ferrari is the answer, knows how to win and bloody quick but will he just find himself in the same position he was in at Red Bull? I'm being slightly unfair to Sainz but even if he went to Ferrari I can't see him being anything but blown away.
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Post by humphreythepug on May 12, 2020 8:59:22 GMT
I can see the logic for Ricciardo to go to Ferrari, I just don't think he'd want to go as a clear no.2; LeClerc is their future.
Whatever I think he'll be out of Renault next year through his own choice, that's if they don't jack it in anyway.
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Post by Tim on May 12, 2020 9:16:23 GMT
Glad to see the back of Vettel, he's clearly hung around for a season or 2 too long after losing his mojo, undoubtedly contributed to by the performances of LeClerc.
I don't think Hamilton would be a good option really, how long is he going to keep going yet, conversely I imagine he'd still want number 1 status which would dent LeClerc's ego a bit just at the point where he really comes into his own.
I think Ricciardo would be a good call, he seems to be a sensible sort of guy and could work well together with LeClerc, he has a bit more experience but he isn't old. Additionally it'd be great to see him in a properly quick car and, given a bit of qualifying unreliability, imagine him storming through the field from a lowly start position - at least if he was in a red car you'd get to see them all!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 9:40:59 GMT
Ricciardo to McLaren with Merc engines next year would be interesting and no reason why not. McLaren have been improving and Renault are not even certain to remain in the sport. I cannot see Sainz accepting a move to the red cars at the moment and being a clear number 2. Would Vettel go to McLaren with the Merc motor just to spite Ferrari and go out to beat them? Maybe but he seems to be a spent man, done. Kvyatt to Ferrari? Possible and he is more likely to be a good number 2 leaving Lefrog to carry the team. He is not exactly slow and has managed to string some reasonable results in the past too. An interesting few months either way.
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Post by Big Blue on May 12, 2020 11:11:01 GMT
Giovinazzi to Ferrari to ensure LeClerc has No1 status; another year for Kimi at Alfa just to piss the pundits off that think he's seat blocking; some young driver as his team mate.
Vettel takes a year off in '21 then returns in '22 with McLaren or Merc under the new regs
Sainz staying at McLaren in '21 and awaits the merry go round in mid-'21
Ricciardo staying where he is - if he goes to Ferrari and pisses off LeClerc his smile will not survive the team politics. He might go there in '22 depending on how the other Ferrari drivers fare but Verstappen to Ferrari in '22 or '23 is highly likely.
Also if Lando has a decent season he'll be vying for a big seat in the next couple of years.
Hamilton is the driver that can say what he wants to do and get it done: the others (apart from LeClerc and Verstappen) are all going to be second choice until he definitely signs for Merc.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 11:25:21 GMT
If Vettel had taken a year out as champion teams may have taken him on afterwards. Now as a spent force and clearly not up to snuff let alone speed no, he is a poor risk. With the spats he threw at Ferrari last year and taking out his well respected team mate in some events he is simply too wild a card to place even in a junior team. Once he leaves he will be lost to the sport. Outside the car he comes across as a thoroughly decent bloke and what has happened is a shame but he is the author of his own situation.
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Post by Tim on May 13, 2020 15:20:21 GMT
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Post by Sav on May 13, 2020 22:32:56 GMT
I think Ricciardo has the potential to become the new Haikkinen at McLaren. Like Hakkinen, Ricciardo is not the absolute best qualifier, but he races very intelligently and his race craft is fantastic. Schumacher was amazing in qualifying, but Hakkinen in his prime could match Schumi when it came race day.
The allure of Ferrari will be there for any Grand Prix driver, it will be interesting to see how Sainz handles being in the hot seat. It will also be interesting how long his contract will be, do Ferrari want to test the waters, to potentially look at people like Verstappen in the near future? In a way, I think Sainz arriving at Ferrari in 2021 with the new regulations would have benefited him. It would have been a reset for everyone, including Leclerc. 2021 will now just been an evolution, with Leclerc already comfortable in a Ferrari with these regulations which were introduced in 2017. It will be a big test of Sainz, he hasn't exactly dominated any of his teamates. In fairness, Sainz has had some very handy teamates like Verstappen. And Hulkenberg was always Mr consistent and always had the ability to get the maximum from a midfield car. The difference now, is that the pressure and exception will be greater for Sainz. Its his big opportunity, we know how many drivers have faltered once given the chance at a top seat.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 8:42:02 GMT
The big question for me is how long Red Bull can hold on to Max, If Ferrari really want him and are prepared to raid the bank I'm not sure how long he can resist.
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Post by johnc on May 14, 2020 8:56:14 GMT
The big question for me is how long Red Bull can hold on to Max, If Ferrari really want him and are prepared to raid the bank I'm not sure how long he can resist. I don't see any team manager wanting a potentially difficult driver pairing. LeClerc and Verstappen would pair two drivers who don't give much quarter to anyone and it doesn't take too much to turn that into a very volatile environment. In a top team the "2nd" driver needs to be very good to ensure good points but also needs to know when to be slightly subservient to the No1 driver so that two cars finish the race whilst being good enough to get a win when the No1 driver has an off day. That takes a special kind of person - a real team player. I think the Honda engine in the Red Bull is going to surprise many people when we finally get to see it properly. The chassis has always been the best in the field and Max might just get his world championship with Red Bull.
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Post by Eff One on May 14, 2020 9:16:38 GMT
Mclaren have just announced Ricciardo. I imagine we'll hear from Ferrari imminently.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 14, 2020 10:07:28 GMT
Mclaren have just announced Ricciardo. I imagine we'll hear from Ferrari imminently. Still seems a strange decision to me since we haven't even turned a wheel this season. I can't see why Ricciardo thinks life will be better outside a manufacturer, its not as if Mclaren have proved themselves winners over the last few years. I would like to be proved wrong and hopefully he won't bury Norris.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 10:12:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 10:53:06 GMT
Merc engines next year will ease the pain too.
I wonder how fast the McLaren will be with a Merc motor.
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Post by Martin on May 14, 2020 11:22:05 GMT
Mclaren have just announced Ricciardo. I imagine we'll hear from Ferrari imminently. It didn't take long. So what we need to know now is who's getting the Renault seat.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 12:00:03 GMT
y?
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Post by scouse on May 14, 2020 12:07:09 GMT
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Post by humphreythepug on May 14, 2020 12:09:16 GMT
Ricciardo has probably jumped ship before Renault sinks under the waves. This is my thinking! Poor old Ocon if they do pull out, lots of Alonso to Renault chatter, however I think its a) people dreaming and b) Renault having a bit of fun.
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Post by johnc on May 14, 2020 13:38:01 GMT
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