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Post by Martin on Apr 27, 2020 21:17:49 GMT
Don’t get distracted by the gearing. Yes it’s high but the cars so bloody good that they’ve got to find something to bitch about and when you drive it like you stole it, it doesn’t detract too much. The 12 mpg will bother you more. Not really. I bought a big car with a big petrol engine, expecting to do 30,000 miles a year! I’m not suggesting the gearing ruins the car, but it would be nicer still if you were able to run it right to the redline in 2nd and maybe even into the more interesting part of the rev range in 3rd. Used to love doing / hearing that in our Boxster, especially with the roof down. |
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Post by Tim on Apr 28, 2020 8:33:20 GMT
If it gets to 85 in second with an 8k redline that's not too bad - only just over 10mph/1000 revs. My dad's Montego 2 litre would see over 60 in 2nd and it was redlined at 6  |
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 28, 2020 8:39:04 GMT
Don’t get distracted by the gearing. Yes it’s high but the cars so bloody good that they’ve got to find something to bitch about and when you drive it like you stole it, it doesn’t detract too much. The 12 mpg will bother you more. Not really. I bought a big car with a big petrol engine, expecting to do 30,000 miles a year! I’m not suggesting the gearing ruins the car, but it would be nicer still if you were able to run it right to the redline in 2nd and maybe even into the more interesting part of the rev range in 3rd. Used to love doing / hearing that in our Boxster, especially with the roof down. You need a Morgan 4/4 1.6 Sport and a twisty B-road. You can red line that in every gear and drive it like you stole it, while still keeping you licence. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2020 8:53:14 GMT
Not really. I bought a big car with a big petrol engine, expecting to do 30,000 miles a year! I’m not suggesting the gearing ruins the car, but it would be nicer still if you were able to run it right to the redline in 2nd and maybe even into the more interesting part of the rev range in 3rd. Used to love doing / hearing that in our Boxster, especially with the roof down. You need a Morgan 4/4 1.6 Sport and a twisty B-road. You can red line that in every gear and drive it like you stole it, while still keeping you licence. No, I just need our old Boxster back! I can't get excited about a 1.6 4 pot Ford engine, which I probably shouldn't say not having driven one. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 28, 2020 9:04:41 GMT
You need a Morgan 4/4 1.6 Sport and a twisty B-road. You can red line that in every gear and drive it like you stole it, while still keeping you licence. No, I just need our old Boxster back! I can't get excited about a 1.6 4 pot Ford engine, which I probably shouldn't say not having driven one. With the Morgan Aero Sport throttle bodies and sports manifold it is said to be rather good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 20:54:15 GMT
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 8, 2020 22:19:59 GMT
So, this gearing "issue"? How much of an issue is it? Why is the gearing so long? Can you just work around it by using a lower gear than you normally might do? Beyond that it sounds ideal, especially at the price.
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Post by franki68 on Jun 9, 2020 7:02:55 GMT
So, this gearing "issue"? How much of an issue is it? Why is the gearing so long? Can you just work around it by using a lower gear than you normally might do? Beyond that it sounds ideal, especially at the price. I guess the cars are geared as they are so the performance figures don’t beat the base Carrera . |
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Post by johnc on Jun 9, 2020 7:10:12 GMT
So, this gearing "issue"? How much of an issue is it? Why is the gearing so long? Can you just work around it by using a lower gear than you normally might do? Beyond that it sounds ideal, especially at the price. I guess the cars are geared as they are so the performance figures don’t beat the base Carrera . and it probably helps WLTP figures as well. But I think Franki's point is the main one: Porsche don't want a Cayman/Boxster to go faster than a 911. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 7:19:25 GMT
90 mph in second? Was the writer exaggerating?
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Post by Martin on Jun 9, 2020 7:55:18 GMT
I don't remember reading a figure quite that high, but it is over 80mph.
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Post by Tim on Jun 9, 2020 8:41:48 GMT
It's not excessive really.
My 370 revved to 7500 and would've been geared to at least 10mph/1000 in 2nd so 75mph.
If the Porsche revs to 8 then that equates to 80 and with 4 litres its never going to struggle to pull that.
Just checked online and the 370 appears to get to 72 in 2nd so not quite the 10/1000.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 9, 2020 9:51:00 GMT
Only commenting with my old GT4 in mind. The gearing isn't ideal but wouldn't put you off. Not a great deal happens below 4000rpm so if your coming out of a very tight corner in second you do feel a bit of a dead patch for a second before it lifts its skirt and hauls ass. The gearbox will let you take first in a hairpin for example but you need to be quick to shift into second before hitting the limiter and it always felt a little brutal to do that.
But its the only thing you'd change. Thats quite something when most cars I drive, I can get a list of about 10 hates before I've even got to the bottom of the road.
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Post by johnc on Jun 9, 2020 9:51:36 GMT
Mine is about 10mph/1000rpm in 2nd and revs to 7,000. It is an immense gear and third is just as accelerative! I will check it more accurately on the way home.
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Post by Martin on Jun 9, 2020 10:00:43 GMT
Mine is about 10mph/1000rpm in 2nd and revs to 7,000. It is an immense gear and third is just as accelerative! I will check it more accurately on the way home. This is what the Internet says the max speed in each gear is for yours. Assuming it's right, then it looks ideal. (km/h/mph) I: 62 / 39 II: 97 / 60 III: 145 / 90 IV: 180 / 112 V: 236 / 147 VI: 310 / 193 VII: 378 / 235 VIII: 485 / 301 I've checked the same source for mine and it looks right. Slightly less in each gear as you'd expect given yours is allowed another 500rpm. I: 60 / 37 II: 94 / 58 III: 141 / 88 IV: 175 / 109 |
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Post by Martin on Jun 9, 2020 10:05:44 GMT
718 GTS 4.0
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I: 79 / 49
II: 134 / 83
III: 186 / 116
IV: 232 / 144
V: 276 / 172
VI: 324 / 201
The original GT4 is almost exactly the same, 2nd goes to 83mph and 3rd 114mph.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 9, 2020 10:06:53 GMT
So, this gearing "issue"? How much of an issue is it? Why is the gearing so long? Can you just work around it by using a lower gear than you normally might do? Beyond that it sounds ideal, especially at the price. I guess the cars are geared as they are so the performance figures don’t beat the base Carrera . I would certainly agree this has been the case in the past but with the 992 having gone very Grand Tourer, its not as if the Cayman GTS is competing with the more expensive 911 and therefore needs to be held back. Hopefully Porsche will go balls out on the Cayman GT4RS and show us whats really possible. But it'll be great, just not good enough to see off the GT3. |
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Post by franki68 on Jun 9, 2020 13:12:15 GMT
I guess the cars are geared as they are so the performance figures don’t beat the base Carrera . I would certainly agree this has been the case in the past but with the 992 having gone very Grand Tourer, its not as if the Cayman GTS is competing with the more expensive 911 and therefore needs to be held back. Hopefully Porsche will go balls out on the Cayman GT4RS and show us whats really possible. But it'll be great, just not good enough to see off the GT3. It’s hard to say ,my test drive of the 992 didn’t allow me to push it but all the reviews say it is absolutely a sports car when you do. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Jun 9, 2020 19:30:50 GMT
To put all this into a little perspective (and/or, provide myself with a bit of a snigger!), my 1996 ZX-6R hit 60mph in first at the limiter - 15500rpm! In second, it would top 100mph .. .. .. I know it's hardly like for like, but, y'know .. ..  |
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Post by johnc on Jun 10, 2020 8:25:57 GMT
Did a check last night and mine is geared about 8.5mph/1000rpm in 2nd and 13mph/1000 in third. It will rev to (about) 7,250: it's slightly difficult to tell the exact revs given it is just a computer graphic coloured line with no increments between 7 and 8. The rev limiter also moves based on the temperature of the engine and the oil.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 10:57:14 GMT
Where are these gear ratios viewable?
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Post by Tim on Jun 10, 2020 10:59:46 GMT
I googled it for the 370
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Post by Martin on Jun 10, 2020 11:12:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 12:07:50 GMT
Mine has short gearing, only 57 mph in second. That explains the manic acceleration.
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 12, 2020 20:10:11 GMT
The gearing on the 981 GT4 does blunt the appeal of the car slightly. Effectively when you're driving it rather briskly for pleasure, you'll be in 3rd most of the time and occasionally 2nd. But if you dial things back by a tenth or two, you will just enjoy the noise and the engine's flexibility.
The gearchange itself is absolutely fabulous and the rev matching on downchanges is faultless if you let the car do it for you (I do, most of the time).
It'd be a better car if the max speeds were 10-15 mph lower in the first four gears, but I certainly don't think it would put many people off the idea of ownership.
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Post by Martin on Jun 12, 2020 20:30:32 GMT
I’d love a McLaren and they are (relatively) good value, but the running costs are way higher than any Porsche.
My neighbour has just swapped his 12c for a 650S convertible in the same colour as Racing’s colleague has and it does look very special indeed.
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