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Post by Big Blue on Mar 3, 2020 14:14:59 GMT
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/03/european-commuters-still-prefer-cars-to-public-transport Hmm let's see: you can either leave whenever you need to and sit in your own space, guaranteed a seat or you can struggle to get to the mass-transit stop/station on time, chance it whether you can get on the vehicle provided, be lucky to get a seat, know that it will be late unless you're 20 seconds late on the one time it as on time as you watch it disappear up the tracks and if you're really unfortunate, as were I and the occupants of the tube I caught at lunchtime, be in the company of a stinking tramp (unfortunate for our noses: I always count my social blessings when I see / smell a vagrant). Some of the stuff is genuinely amusing though: the cost of parking fines is less than the cost of the fines for not buying a ticket; parking on the roadside is illegal but you can park on the pavement; 33% of travellers on buses in Napoli are fare evading.
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Post by johnc on Mar 3, 2020 15:16:29 GMT
It is amazing how much money the EU has given to cities for absolutely no benefit or improvement.
I really don't understand why Politicians find it so hard to understand that people want to keep using their cars.
It takes me 15 minutes to get to work by car and I get there dry. I could walk 3/4 of a mile to the station, take a 20 minute train journey (if it is on time or not cancelled) and then walk just over half a mile to get to the office - total time about an hour and for 5 or 6 months I am highly likely to be soaked to the skin. No thanks!
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Post by PG on Mar 3, 2020 16:30:22 GMT
I really don't understand why Politicians find it so hard to understand that people want to keep using their cars. Politicians are just like the rest of us - they want to keep using cars as well. But their need is obviously justified and right, whereas ours is not. I think way too many people in positions of authority wush that the car could be uninvented. As it allows the hoi-polloi to be too darn independent. I remember being invited to a West Midlands business group meeting some years ago about road pricing. And the local CBI man said that road pricing was essential to make sure that the roads did not get over-crowded and could still be used. I challenged him by saying what he really meant was that other people had to be priced off the road so he could keep using them. Which actually got a cheer from the rest of the meeting. I was not invited back.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 16:38:04 GMT
I must admit that we've started using public transport every once in a while. Typically when we go in for an afternoon, do something, have a bite to eat, shop a bit and have, as Withnail would say, 'a few ales.' Can't face the bus for the way back though.
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Post by PG on Mar 4, 2020 10:46:32 GMT
...Can't face the bus for the way back though.... Whatever else happens to me in life, as long as I'm not reduced to having to take the bus everywhere when I'm old, I will consider my life a success. When do you ever see anybody looking happy on a public bus? We use the Shrewsbury park and ride service quite a lot, which is about my limit of bus transport.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 10:58:00 GMT
There's something novel about choosing to on occasion though!
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 4, 2020 13:41:57 GMT
My mother is 80 in December and I can confidently state that at no time in her life in Europe and the USA (she came over from S.Africa in 1962) has she stepped foot on a bus, aside from airport runway buses. I catch buses because I live and work in London boroughs: never been on a non-London bus in the UK (London Country in the '70s counts as London before PG picks me up on the 406, which is now a London route anyway). I think way too many people in positions of authority wish that the car could be uninvented. As it allows the hoi-polloi to be too darn independent This is the most true statement ever written about private car ownership in the UK. The Left hate it as the left's leaders tend to be totalitarian bastards that want the workers to remain "the workers" as defined by some pre-Victorian standards whilst they remain, as Union leaders always have, a step above them with the RIGHT to tell them what's best for them after taking their union subs from them; the Right hate it as it means their leaders and funders have to share: something that is not popular amongst their ranks, especially sharing with those beggarly folks that inhabit the lower class neighbourhoods.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2020 13:56:49 GMT
My mother is 78 and loves a good bus trip. She still has he MINI Countryman and drives all over but still uses the bus stop near her house to get into Newcastle and regularly books herself onto National Express Coach Holidays - usually at random. She can't believe how cheap they are.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 4, 2020 15:06:28 GMT
I voluntarily took a bus on Monday night. To get home from a meeting of the Cabinet of Hammersmith & Fulham Council about a local road closure and it was quite clear that the council's long-term desire is for all citizens to be made to walk and cycle everywhere in a delightful transport-free green idyll that takes absolutely no account whatsoever of the demands and vicissitudes of daily life. It was altogether a very "municipal" experience.
And to be fair, the bus decision wasn't mine. I left chatting to a neighbour and he (being old enough to qualify for a free bus pass) suggested catching the 295 as the quickest way home, and so it proved, bus lanes being marvellous things for bus users.
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Post by michael on Mar 4, 2020 15:41:54 GMT
I've never used the bus locally. Apparently it does stop at the end of our lane but I can't imagine any circumstances that I'd use that instead of the car. I think buses make sense in town and cities as they're often an easy way of getting around. I've never understood why trolley buses haven't been reintroduced instead of trams. Surely they'd save a fortune on tracks?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2020 16:16:20 GMT
I've never used the bus locally. Apparently it does stop at the end of our lane but I can't imagine any circumstances that I'd use that instead of the car. I think buses make sense in town and cities as they're often an easy way of getting around. I've never understood why trolley buses haven't been reintroduced instead of trams. Surely they'd save a fortune on tracks? They would save a fortune on tracks but it would cost a fortune to install overhead high voltage cabling and it would be unsightly and be an additional amount of services to incorporate into the high street. They also become unhooked and stranded regularly - this can be overcome by fitting them with their own batteries but if you need to go to those lengths why not just bring in electric buses - which they are doing.
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