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Feb 10, 2020 16:31:13 GMT
Post by Blarno on Feb 10, 2020 16:31:13 GMT
Has he?
He plays the bumbling fool very well, but he has all the charm and charisma of a used sanitary towel.
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Feb 10, 2020 16:33:58 GMT
Post by Tim on Feb 10, 2020 16:33:58 GMT
No, I don't think he does but a lot of people appear to think he has.
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Feb 10, 2020 19:26:16 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 10, 2020 19:26:16 GMT
To coin a phrase..... "It's charisma, Jim, but not as we know it"
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Post by Tim on Apr 6, 2020 9:21:57 GMT
I watched most of Donald Trump's daily press briefing on Saturday night. (i couldn't last until the end).
If he wasn't the leader of the free world it'd be funny but his ramblings (and most of his part was just that) reminded me of a Billy Connolly stand-up show, start on a topic, get distracted by various others on the way and eventually come back to where you started.
I think I'm a little scared!
On the basis of his presentation though I think that when the rest of the world starts to open up we're all going to have to institute a travel ban on the US because they're not going to be anywhere close to having the virus under control
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Apr 6, 2020 10:42:50 GMT
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Post by Alex on Apr 6, 2020 10:42:50 GMT
I watched most of Donald Trump's daily press briefing on Saturday night. (i couldn't last until the end). If he wasn't the leader of the free world it'd be funny but his ramblings (and most of his part was just that) reminded me of a Billy Connolly stand-up show, start on a topic, get distracted by various others on the way and eventually come back to where you started. I think I'm a little scared! On the basis of his presentation though I think that when the rest of the world starts to open up we're all going to have to institute a travel ban on the US because they're not going to be anywhere close to having the virus under control Might also be in retaliation for all the 3M masks that he's commandeered that were meant to be being produced for other countries.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:53:45 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 6, 2020 11:53:45 GMT
Trump is often promoting hydroxychloroquine as some sort of wonder drug that will nullify the effect of Covid 19, mentioning it repeatedly at news conferences, despite it being unproven.
On Friday I was having a drink with an old friend who works for an Indian-owned pharma company and asked him what he's up to. "Oh we're running a huge clinical trial on the effectiveness of hydroxchloroquine to treat Covid 19 - we've got really high hopes for it..."
I was torn between the real hope that it does work and the hope it doesn't as we'll never hear the end of it from Trump.
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Apr 6, 2020 12:46:42 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 6, 2020 12:46:42 GMT
He certainly mentioned the hydroxchloroquine a lot on Saturday night. I'm sure his right wing faithful and evangelical mob will all be rushing out to procure themselves vast quantities to stash away in their survival bunkers. Maybe it won't work but they'll overdose and the side effects will get them.
If I was 3M I'd be a bit worried about how my German, and probably wider, contacts were going to treat me after the mask thing. I see he's trying to stop shipments of some stuff to Canada as well. If his aim is to turn America back into an isolationist country he could well be making all the right moves to achieve that.
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Apr 6, 2020 13:30:29 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 6, 2020 13:30:29 GMT
I think I read of a rash of people being admitted to hospital in Nigeria (where it is widely available) with chloroquine poisoning having necked quantities of the stuff in the hope of staving of C19.
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Apr 15, 2020 9:45:39 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 15, 2020 9:45:39 GMT
Now The Donald has upped the stakes for everyone by refusing to fund the WHO anymore. Is this just a "pass the buck" move to try to shift the blame for the (more serious than originally forecast by Trump) impact of Covid 19 onto the WHO or is it more of the isolationist approach to further distance the US from the rest of the world?
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Apr 15, 2020 9:52:38 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Apr 15, 2020 9:52:38 GMT
To his followers it's an "America is bigger than the rest of the world to Americans" statement with a dash of "America First" thrown in.
He'll be re-elected, make no mistake. Lots of Americans love to hear that the rest of the world is not as good as America.
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Apr 15, 2020 9:53:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 9:53:05 GMT
I think he is just trying to make himself more popular while blaming others. It seems to work for his core supporters. IMHO, it is a childish practice but anyone who has attended a session of mp candidates questions prior to an election will have seen similar.
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Apr 15, 2020 10:15:36 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 15, 2020 10:15:36 GMT
I think there's some buck passing - he is criticising the WHO for their slow response and acceptance of China's figures yet at the same time they were doing that he was praising the Chinese response. There is also a possibility that the US approach to these organisations is that they want to fund ones that employ a decent %age of US citizens.
I'm sure I read that the US hasn't actually paid its last couple of instalments to the WHO anyway.
I think if they want to be isolationist then we should let them crack on with it.
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Apr 15, 2020 11:13:04 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Apr 15, 2020 11:13:04 GMT
I think if they want to be isolationist then we should let them crack on with it. 100% agree on most fronts but I think what would happen is that their human rights record would make most other countries' (if not all) look like paradise. Over time (100 years?) I can see the Tri-state being one nation, CA another and the rest the USA with TX as a lead state.
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Apr 15, 2020 11:14:21 GMT
Post by PG on Apr 15, 2020 11:14:21 GMT
It's partly apportioning blame and plays straight to this America First line.
I do have some sympathy - I didn't know until today that the the US puts up $400M a year to the WHO whereas China puts up about £40M per year. And not funding stuff that does not benefit the US is one of Trump's his core things. Like the UN and NATO comments in the past.
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Apr 15, 2020 13:51:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 13:51:50 GMT
A way to negotiate the Septics contribution down?
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Apr 15, 2020 17:18:18 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 15, 2020 17:18:18 GMT
I suspect it may also be linked to his business way of doing things: "America paid the WHO for a service, they came up short so we're not going to pay them"
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Apr 15, 2020 18:09:39 GMT
Post by Boxer6 on Apr 15, 2020 18:09:39 GMT
It's partly apportioning blame and plays straight to this America First line. I do have some sympathy - I didn't know until today that the the US puts up $400M a year to the WHO whereas China puts up about £40M per year. And not funding stuff that does not benefit the US is one of Trump's his core things. Like the UN and NATO comments in the past. I can't find the link mow, typically (and again!) but I seem to recall seeing that the true figure is $100 million, and even at that, the last few 'instalments' haven't been paid. I suspect it may also be linked to his business way of doing things: "America paid the WHO for a service, they came up short so we're not going to pay them" As i said, the info I saw suggested very strongly thay haven't paid, though that little issue of letting the truth get in the way hasn't stopped him before. Allegedly.
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Apr 16, 2020 9:06:47 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 16, 2020 9:06:47 GMT
I read about it a couple of weeks ago and I think the $100M is the value of the instalments that haven't been paid - they're outstanding for 6 months thus 2x$100M. Possibly.
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Apr 16, 2020 10:44:52 GMT
Post by michael on Apr 16, 2020 10:44:52 GMT
The WHO praised the Chinese response to COVID19. They're a long way from perfect.
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Apr 16, 2020 11:32:46 GMT
Post by Boxer6 on Apr 16, 2020 11:32:46 GMT
The WHO praised the Chinese response to COVID19. They're a long way from perfect. Well indeed, but then who is? WHO are pretty bureaucratic and political in the same way as I imagine any other large multinational organisation; but, as an overall guide for most things medical, you could do a lot worse.
Dr Trump, anyone?
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Apr 16, 2020 11:45:22 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 16, 2020 11:45:22 GMT
The WHO praised the Chinese response to COVID19. They're a long way from perfect. A certain Mr Trump was effusive in his praise for the Chinese response as well.
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Apr 16, 2020 12:40:35 GMT
Post by michael on Apr 16, 2020 12:40:35 GMT
I think you're painting yourself into a corner if you assume just because Trump says it the opposite is true.
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Apr 16, 2020 12:46:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 12:46:28 GMT
I think what's meant is that he's an expert on very little and that his opinions flip-flop to suit his purposes.
Though I must admit that I tend to start from the position of assuming he's at the best very economical with the truth about most things.
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Apr 16, 2020 12:55:30 GMT
Post by michael on Apr 16, 2020 12:55:30 GMT
Yes I get your point but I think the reality is a little bit more cunning than people give him credit for. To use the WHO as an example, this is clearly his target for blame for COVID19. There is truth supported by facts that the WHO turns a blind eye to the activities of China so when Trump attacks WHO his opponents jump to its defence. It then becomes very easy to associate those opponents with perceived corruptions and the hugely effective 'drain the swamp' narrative then gets its outing. Trump is effective because the opposition is so ineffective at neutralising his tactics.
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Apr 20, 2020 7:38:13 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 20, 2020 7:38:13 GMT
Yes I get your point but I think the reality is a little bit more cunning than people give him credit for. To use the WHO as an example, this is clearly his target for blame for COVID19. There is truth supported by facts that the WHO turns a blind eye to the activities of China so when Trump attacks WHO his opponents jump to its defence. It then becomes very easy to associate those opponents with perceived corruptions and the hugely effective 'drain the swamp' narrative then gets its outing. Trump is effective because the opposition is so ineffective at neutralising his tactics. Regrettably true.
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Apr 20, 2020 8:30:09 GMT
Post by garry on Apr 20, 2020 8:30:09 GMT
Trump is a genius when it comes to building and driving a narrative. Make America Great Again, Drain the swamp, the crooked media.....
He makes his narrative the only talking point because he pushes them to the edge of credibility ( ok, over the edge). The result:
1. His supporters agree and they start to chant the phrases in agreement 2. His opponents are so outraged or perplexed that they start to challenge them in disagreement
And the whole conversation centres on his narrative,
Love him or hate him, he’s incredible at driving the conversation.
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Apr 20, 2020 9:58:29 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Apr 20, 2020 9:58:29 GMT
I caught the POTUS briefing last night, for the first time watching part of it live.
OH.MY.FUCKING.GOD.
This man is clearly so out of his depth that he's at the point of insanity. He's holding up a cotton bud and a COVID swab and making some kind of comparison between the two items. For about ten minutes.
My first thoughts: why isn't someone stopping him? Why is he seemingly utterly unprepared for a press meeting?
Further thoughts: why are there not men in white coats standing either side of him with some kind of sedative injection to hand?
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Apr 20, 2020 10:18:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 10:18:06 GMT
He does love the sound of his own voice.
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Apr 20, 2020 12:25:21 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 20, 2020 12:25:21 GMT
He's a businessman, not a politician
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Apr 20, 2020 12:28:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 12:28:22 GMT
He's a w*nker, not a politician. Though the two aren't mutually exclusive...
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