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May 23, 2017 2:39:39 GMT
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May 23, 2017 7:55:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 7:55:15 GMT
Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
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May 23, 2017 8:27:36 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 23, 2017 8:27:36 GMT
Yes, my first thoughts are lack of sympathy.
These big game hunts are a real ethical quandry to me; on the one hand I can't understand why anyone would want to kill such beautiful creatures but on the other hand they are used to cull sick and elderly animals and bring in large amounts of money which is needed to fund conservation projects that benefit the herds as a whole. Not for me though.
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May 23, 2017 8:41:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 8:41:52 GMT
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May 23, 2017 10:12:40 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 23, 2017 10:12:40 GMT
The way the story reads to me makes me think they weren't culling sick animals... As I read it they found themselves in the middle of breeding elephants are were attacked. Elephants are extremely dangerous creatures and guides will always be on hand with a gun if one decides to charge - even if you're just photographing them. So it appears the elephant was shot in self-defence and wasn't the primary target. The argument for trophy hunting is that it brings in money for the local population and encourages them to leave the wild habitat as it is as opposed to cultivating it for food production which would, of course, lead to the extinction of the species that live there. Nothing is simple and my preference would be to try and encourage locals to leave the natural habitat as it is through other sources of tourism income, but I'm not living in their shoes. We cull magnificent deer and stags in this country for much the same reason - if they were left to breed indiscriminately they would eventually strip their habitat bare and starve en mass. I still couldn't pull the trigger on a stag hunt though. |
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May 23, 2017 11:39:00 GMT
Post by Big Blue on May 23, 2017 11:39:00 GMT
The argument for trophy hunting is that it brings in money for the local population and encourages them to leave the wild habitat as it is as opposed to cultivating it for food production which would, of course, lead to the extinction of the species that live there. Nothing is simple and my preference would be to try and encourage locals to leave the natural habitat as it is through other sources of tourism income, but I'm not living in their shoes. We cull magnificent deer and stags in this country for much the same reason - if they were left to breed indiscriminately they would eventually strip their habitat bare and starve en mass. I still couldn't pull the trigger on a stag hunt though. +1 Psychologically I couldn't kill one but fully understand the need to control populations. Humans need a bit of this, too, but again: I couldn't be the one to go out hunting frail elderly and infirm young humans. It's better to have controlled hunting than poaching as only the species that need to be controlled are hunted. |
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May 26, 2017 14:19:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 14:19:32 GMT
For me the article is unclear on why they approached the herd but do not know the current population levels so will not comment until I know. The tiger population is severely reduced to the point we may no longer have any in the wild. Poachers and a demand for body parts for the Asian medical market between them have to be stopped but my perfect method would be a little unpopular. Spec ops teams DO need specialist training though and it would be an end to repeat offending. If the guy in this event was hunting and got into trouble through having poor situational awareness, he got his just reward.
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May 30, 2017 19:51:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 19:51:24 GMT
Considering the upheaval of recent years, that has given me an idea..........
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Jul 5, 2018 19:01:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 19:01:52 GMT
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Jul 6, 2018 8:19:55 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 6, 2018 8:19:55 GMT
Quite clever of the rhinos to outsource their security to the lions. |
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Jul 6, 2018 10:35:45 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 6, 2018 10:35:45 GMT
Quite clever of the rhinos to outsource their security to the lions.
I saw that story and thought it was quite funny, although not for the poachers of course.
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Jul 9, 2018 9:32:08 GMT
Post by PG on Jul 9, 2018 9:32:08 GMT
Quite clever of the rhinos to outsource their security to the lions.
I saw that story and thought it was quite funny, although not for the poachers of course.
Those who live by the sword deserve to die by it. Re the elephant death in the OP, controlled hunting is required to manage all species that are in any way managed or protected, or have no natural predators remaining. It is unpalatable, but necessary. As said above, same as deer in the UK. And the whole issue of badger control and fox control that divides opinion so strongly. Now with the big game, if people go off the reservation, or are poaching, they deserve to get killed by animals or shot by rangers. Chinese "medicine" has a lot to answer for. |
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Jul 9, 2018 12:31:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 12:31:20 GMT
Sadly, we will never convince the Chinese and those of the same belief, that they have a right to whatever they want animal wise. That they are encouraging the demise of the species they say they rely on is completely missed. Time to encourage the use of alternative sources?
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Jul 9, 2018 21:23:55 GMT
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Jul 9, 2018 22:06:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 22:06:39 GMT
That could be a spectator sport too. I think that an alternative and disinformation might work to but be less financially rewarding. With the Chinese prisons being such a major source of replacement organs, perhaps they may be used as an alternative. Bone is bone after all.....
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