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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 10:50:38 GMT
Big cities in particular are not keen on individual ownership, they much prefer their cattle to get the public transport option. How they are going to get the required charging points is rather moot with the current political reality. How many parking spaces have been removed over the last decade?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 6, 2020 11:20:42 GMT
Does anyone really think this is going to happen? It's easy, on the eve of a climate conference, to make this bold statement that we're going to bring froward the date for banning petrol and diesel cars to 2035. How many of our current politicians will be held accountable in 15 years if this doesn't happen? It's easy to make a decision like this and by the time it is obvious that it's not going to happen you're retired on a nice pension and couldn't really give a fuck - it's now someone else's problem/fault.
On the other hand... set industry a challenge and they generally rise to it. Every time new EU emissions or fuel efficiency targets are set the industry howls in protest that they can't be met or are too expensive to implement, but they invariably do.
When JFK announced that the US would put a man on the Moon before the end of the decade he had no idea how they were going to do it - actually NASA had no idea either, but the challenge was set, and met.
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 6, 2020 11:35:25 GMT
How will the Health & Safety brigade allow all these trip hazzards of cables draped across pavements? I suppose they could be coiled. The sooner the H&S Brigade are coiled, the better !
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 6, 2020 14:36:18 GMT
Let's be blunt: the manufacturers and the pwer companies need to come up with some joint action plan about how these things (as mentioned above) are going to be addressed so that buying an electric car is the same experience as buying an ICE car has been for some decades. Petrol pumps have standardised nozzles (I assume electric cars have / will have the same and they won't change model to model as happens with mobile devices and laptops....); the online reporting widget Bob mentions needs to be intelligent so that when I'm plugged in to a lamp post owned and managed by EDF they receive the funds and when I'm plugged into a lamp post owned and managed by Eastern Electricity they receive the funds. After all Shell, BP, Texaco, Elf etc. have all managed to make sure they provide graded petrol through standard sized pumps and they collect the cash for the petrol they sell.
If there are suddenly reams of open charging points on the streets there will, of course, be a system whereby any householder can't just run a non-intelligent line to the post and cadge the electricity, or tee-off from a charging neighbour's car and have them pick up the bill for their underfloor heating.
I don't doubt it can happen but it will be exciting to see the co-operation agreements that all these power companies will have to enter into with the motor nmanufacturers (for connectivity compliance), their IT companies (for the billing data) and management of the roadside equipment. Which of course will require so much copper that Pikeys will be quids in stealing it by night then selling it to replace the stolen stuff by day.
Basically the proliferation of electric cars will need the planning, organic development and take-up that the ICE motorcar has had (let's be generous given car ownership is largely a post-war thing) over 70 years to get right.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 6, 2020 14:58:51 GMT
I wonder if, in the future, the idea of having to take your car to a refuelling station, well away from your house, often have to queue, get out and put a filthy, smelly nozzle onto it, stand there in the cold while it fills, will be regarded as rather quaint and primitive?
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Post by Martin on Feb 6, 2020 15:03:57 GMT
I wonder if, in the future, the idea of having to take your car to a refuelling station, well away from your house, often have to queue, get out and put a filthy, smelly nozzle onto it, stand there in the cold while it fills, will be regarded as rather quaint and primitive? I do hope so.
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Post by Tim on Feb 6, 2020 15:04:47 GMT
Additionally the companies need to make sure they support the cars for as long as needed and there is no built-in obsolescence as happens with other electronic devices (on the basis that people like Tesla have a Silicon Valley mindset like Apple, etc rather than a more traditional motor industry view) which would hugely negate the supposed environmental benefits of the electric cars!
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Post by PG on Feb 6, 2020 17:46:34 GMT
Big cities in particular are not keen on individual ownership, they much prefer their cattle to get the public transport option. How they are going to get the required charging points is rather moot with the current political reality. How many parking spaces have been removed over the last decade? If electric cars do not become cheaper and cities do ban ICE cars, then the effect may well be to force some people out of owning cars and into shared ownership programmes and public transport. The number of 20-something city dwellers that do not have driving licences is a growing trend.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 6, 2020 21:30:18 GMT
If electric cars do not become cheaper and cities do ban ICE cars, then the effect may well be to force some people out of owning cars and into shared ownership programmes and public transport. The number of 20-something city dwellers that do not have driving licences is a growing trend. As many leave the cities as soon as they have children and public transport is suddenly non-existent they all become license holders in their 30s.
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Post by Martin on Feb 9, 2020 18:10:28 GMT
The Porsche battery is pretty impressive compared to Tesla. (Car & Driver test) host free net
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Post by Alex on Feb 9, 2020 23:36:37 GMT
I suppose they could be coiled. The sooner the H&S Brigade are coiled, the better ! Oi! Some of us make a living being part of the 'elf and safety brigade
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 10, 2020 10:20:23 GMT
The Porsche battery is pretty impressive compared to Tesla. (Car & Driver test) It's all about overall power management as opposed to just the battery. Porsche are managing the battery discharge better than the Tesla possibly because for all their cutting-edge technology profile all this time Tesla have now discovered that newer tech cars will have better tech because you need to recover the R&D and manufacturing cost of your older tech first. Porsche have just moved power management along and the next one will do the same, just as the 1.6 Mk1 Golf GTi engine was a couple of generations ahead of the MGB 1.8 engine - these were tested as contemporaries by Setright in the '70s and that idiot came out in favour of the MGB because if he were around today he would be a leading Brexiteer. I never read a column of his ever again when I learned of that review because I thought he was a prat.
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Post by johnc on Feb 10, 2020 10:36:01 GMT
just as the 1.6 Mk1 Golf GTi engine was a couple of generations ahead of the MGB 1.8 engine - these were tested as contemporaries by Setright in the '70s and that idiot came out in favour of the MGB because if he were around today he would be a leading Brexiteer. I never read a column of his ever again when I learned of that review because I thought he was a prat. and in the years subsequent to that he had a Scirocco GTi (16v I think) which he loved and tried to create a normal car which would pull 1G cornering on road tyres. Maybe he was just a slow adopter! I do like the sound of an MG engine but in comparison to the GTi engine for power, economy, throttle response and reliability, it doesn't have a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 12:13:23 GMT
I think James Ruppert is taking over his mantle of down and out dressed as motoring journalist.
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