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Post by michael on Jan 6, 2020 12:08:58 GMT
So, who do we think it'll be?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:23:15 GMT
No idea whatever. From an electability perspective they picked the wrong Milliband a few years back, I think.
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Post by johnc on Jan 6, 2020 12:35:55 GMT
I think the Corbynista will want Rebecca Long Bailey but whilst more electable than JC she has the same left wing rhetoric that scares the general public.
If the Labour party want a shot at winning a General Election they will have to choose someone who would command a much broader level of support from the public (perhaps Keir Starmer). However I am not sure that the Labour left have recognised that there is a problem with their policies so it is likely that they will make the same mistake again. I think the next change will be a bit like Michael Foot to Neil Kinnock rather than the Kinnock to John Smith/Tony Blair change when the party moved back nearer to the centre.
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Post by michael on Jan 6, 2020 12:55:30 GMT
I agree that Labour stands its best chance of survival under Keir Starmer which is why I'd expect Boris Johnson to publicly express his support in that direction in order to torpedo any chance he has of being elected. I think they'll go for Rebecca Long Bailey to tick the female leader box.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 6, 2020 13:05:12 GMT
It's got to be Diane Abbott's turn surely? Ticks all the boxes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 13:06:15 GMT
Keir Starmer probably has the greater level of support and better suited to the role. However, the laboured partly managed to elect Corbyn so it really is in the hands of the asylum residents.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 6, 2020 14:17:15 GMT
Not being Labour-minded, I've no idea who they will pick.
Probably Keir Starmer is who I'd pick, because I'd enjoy watching him prosecute Johnson during Prime Mistake's Questions. He's not especially charismatic on TV though.
Failing him, Emily Thornberry, who is (a) a woman and (b) a pretty good Commons performer. She's by no means my favourite human being but she's got charisma and she strikes me as up to the task.
I think Rebecca Long-Bailey would be completely useless. So far as I can tell, she has less charisma than a waxwork figurine and I can barely picture her.
The rest deserve to be also-rans. I have no idea who Lavery is, Lewis and Nandy doesn't strike me as PM material and I think Phillips is as yet too inexperienced.
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Post by Tim on Jan 6, 2020 15:18:37 GMT
If it was my choice it'd be Keir Starmer but as others have said I suspect Labour have so far failed to acknowledge what went wrong and if they are still dominated by Momentum types (or by lots of Tory voters who, allegedly, joined to choose Corbyn) then they could still pursue the unelectable extreme left wing option and go for Rebecca Long Bailey.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 6, 2020 15:29:33 GMT
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Post by Tim on Jan 6, 2020 15:32:58 GMT
That slowly disappears behind the pay wall.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 6, 2020 15:56:09 GMT
I have an irrational dislike of couples that double barrel their surnames when they marry - an affectation that is becoming increasingly common. In 20 years time we'll have a proliferation of triple and quadruple barrelled names and they'll have to make bank cards longer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 16:15:22 GMT
There will probably be no bank cards and no cash either. Some combination of retinal scans, bio metric backup and one eyed or blind ex rich people
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Post by PG on Jan 6, 2020 17:22:24 GMT
I have an irrational dislike of couples that double barrel their surnames when they marry - an affectation that is becoming increasingly common. In 20 years time we'll have a proliferation of triple and quadruple barrelled names and they'll have to make bank cards longer. Me too. Although we now have one in our family as my nephew and his wife have become double-barrelled since they married last year. Like you I wonder what will happen when the newly double-barrelled marry. Will they then be arguing about which name to give up each, or like accountancy firms and lawyers, will they just become all initials? Hello to Mr & Mrs R.T. PDCT and so on. People have not really through it through have they? Re the OP, I guess there are two questions. Who do we think it will be? And who do we hope it will be? I think that the Corbynists will go all out to stop Keir Starmer as he's not as rabidly left-wing as the rest (or so he says), but he is probably the most electable one of the lot. Although he will need to explain to the electorate how he feels about Brexit now that it is happening as he juts spent the last three years trying to stop it. Personally I hope they elect some nutter like Wrong-Daily, just for the entertainment value.
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Post by PG on Jan 6, 2020 17:27:03 GMT
Failing him, Emily Thornberry, who is (a) a woman and (b) a pretty good Commons performer. She's by no means my favourite human being but she's got charisma and she strikes me as up to the task. I think Rebecca Long-Bailey would be completely useless. So far as I can tell, she has less charisma than a waxwork figurine and I can barely picture her. Charisma? Are we seeing the same person? I would hardly describe Lady Nugee as having charisma. She's certainly got a total belief in her own self-importance and superiority, or even an almost pathological dislike of the people who she actually needs to vote for her if she is to succeed. I agree that Long-Bailey (or Wrong-Daily as I saw her described) would be useless. So I hope they pick her.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 6, 2020 17:28:07 GMT
I have an irrational dislike of couples that double barrel their surnames when they marry - an affectation that is becoming increasingly common. In 20 years time we'll have a proliferation of triple and quadruple barrelled names and they'll have to make bank cards longer. In general I agree, but sometimes there is a valid reason. My mother's parents double-barrelled their surname when they married but only because my grandmother was the last member of her family and it was made a condition of her inheritance that she kept her surname when she married. In the event it was a futile move because she went on to only have daughters so the name died anyway!
If you want an example of quadruple barrelling, check out keen Brexiteer and Tory MP, Richard Drax.
His full surname is Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
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Post by michael on Jan 6, 2020 17:33:42 GMT
I have an irrational dislike of couples that double barrel their surnames when they marry - an affectation that is becoming increasingly common. In 20 years time we'll have a proliferation of triple and quadruple barrelled names and they'll have to make bank cards longer. Re the OP, I guess there are two questions. There was one question and it was who do we think it'll be. I think it'll be RLB, although I'd love it to be Ian Lavery. Double barrelled isn't so bad after you've had colleagues who merged their names into one.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 6, 2020 17:37:04 GMT
Failing him, Emily Thornberry, who is (a) a woman and (b) a pretty good Commons performer. She's by no means my favourite human being but she's got charisma and she strikes me as up to the task. I think Rebecca Long-Bailey would be completely useless. So far as I can tell, she has less charisma than a waxwork figurine and I can barely picture her. Charisma? Are we seeing the same person? I would hardly describe Lady Nugee as having charisma. She's certainly got a total belief in her own self-importance and superiority, or even an almost pathological dislike of the people who she actually needs to vote for her if she is to succeed. I agree that Long-Bailey (or Wrong-Daily as I saw her described) would be useless. So I hope they pick her. I never said I liked her but she's definitely got presence, which is a form of charisma.
Plus it's a bit tabloid to call her Lady Nugee when she doesn't call herself that. Did you refer to Tony Benn as Viscount Stansgate? At least that was his own title (albeit renounced), whereas she is only entitled to the honorific "Lady" because her lawyer husband later became a QC and was knighted.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 6, 2020 17:41:24 GMT
Re the OP, I guess there are two questions. There was one question and it was who do we think it'll be. I think it'll be RLB, although I'd love it to be Ian Lavery. Double barrelled isn't so bad after you've had colleagues who merged their names into one. Merging? Not come across that before. My wife simply kept her own surname when we married, because that's the norm in Italy. Doesn't bother me at all.
It occurs to me that Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax abbreviates to "PEED"...
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Post by michael on Jan 6, 2020 17:45:20 GMT
There was one question and it was who do we think it'll be. I think it'll be RLB, although I'd love it to be Ian Lavery. Double barrelled isn't so bad after you've had colleagues who merged their names into one. Merging? Not come across that before. My wife simply kept her own surname when we married, because that's the norm in Italy. Doesn't bother me at all.
It occurs to me that Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax abbreviates to "PEED"...
It was an academic client as you might expect. An example, using Long-Bailey, might become Bailong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 18:55:57 GMT
I've not voted on account of having never heard of any of the options.
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Post by Stuntman on Jan 6, 2020 21:28:05 GMT
I think it will be Keir Starmer - particularly so if the Labour Party actually want a fighting chance of winning the next election.
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 7, 2020 8:19:01 GMT
I think Rebecca Long-Bailey would be completely useless. So far as I can tell, she has less charisma than a waxwork figurine and I can barely picture her. I can't help but think that she should be called Rebecca Long-Trousers (but that's just my weird sense of humour..... the wrong trousers, Gromit.....)
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 7, 2020 9:19:26 GMT
I think it will be Keir Starmer - particularly so if the Labour Party actually want a fighting chance of winning the next election. I suppose, with his name, he was born to the job. Obviously his parents weren't Tory.
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Post by Tim on Jan 7, 2020 9:58:34 GMT
I think it will be Keir Starmer - particularly so if the Labour Party actually want a fighting chance of winning the next election. I think that's a massive 'IF' in there. Even if they do choose RL-B there's no way she's ever going to win a General Election, having heard her being interviewed on R4 this morning her accent is too regional to be PM
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Post by michael on Jan 7, 2020 10:21:16 GMT
I think it will be Keir Starmer - particularly so if the Labour Party actually want a fighting chance of winning the next election. I suppose, with his name, he was born to the job. Obviously his parents weren't Tory. He is named after that Keir.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 7, 2020 10:52:16 GMT
I suppose, with his name, he was born to the job. Obviously his parents weren't Tory. He is named after that Keir. He does actually have a working class background - his mother was a nurse and his father a toolmaker.
This is an interesting profile piece from 2008 when he became Director of Public Prosecutions and wasn't yet even in contention as an MP:
www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/01/humanrights.law
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Post by scouse on Jan 7, 2020 11:35:35 GMT
Better Starmer than Wrong-Daily.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 7, 2020 12:31:35 GMT
Our girls and now my wife have a hugely long double-barreled surname which I avoided at all costs. We had to get a dispensation from the Slovak parliament for W2.1 to (a) have a double-barreled surname (b) have it in the same format as the girls (ie the feminised maternal family name followed by the masculine form of my surname).
Mind you once they'd seen the parliament approval stuff was done pretty quickly thereafter.
Re: the Labour party. Their voting membership are mental and will choose yet another unelectable dreamer as their leader. The comments regarding "we never want to see another Blair" (their longest and arguably most successful PM) have to be read to understand how out of touch they are. Most of the left-wingers think (actually really do think with no hint of irony) that the working class voters want to have droning, ordered jobs and lives with no requirement to improve their lot in life ending in a retirement eating biscuits on a 25 year old sofa and watching game-shows whilst getting NHS treatment on a plate as required. Mental.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 13:34:42 GMT
That definition of the laboured partly should be in all dictionaries. Mental, classic and apt.
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Post by Tim on Jan 7, 2020 14:19:02 GMT
I agree that Long-Bailey (or Wrong-Daily as I saw her described) would be useless. So I hope they pick her. I'm certainly not a Labour supporter but I do think we need a strong opposition so am desperately hopeful that the Labour dreamers don't go down this route. I'm prepared to be disappointed though.....
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