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Post by michael on Nov 25, 2019 11:37:17 GMT
The options are:
BMW 1-series
Ford Puma
Peugeot 208
Porsche Taycan
Renault Clio
Tesla Model 3
Toyota Corolla
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 25, 2019 11:40:03 GMT
For me it has to be the Tesla 3 - a car that competes successfully against the big German 3 and has shaken them out of their conservatism over electric vehicles.
But the Peugeot 208 will win it.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 25, 2019 12:22:11 GMT
Er, Taycan maybe or the model 3 but I still feel there hasn't been the game changer in that market that makes an Electric car a real everyday prospect.
Maybe the Corolla, its a hell of an improvement on the old one.
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Post by Tim on Nov 25, 2019 12:34:46 GMT
The Taycan shouldn't get it ahead of the Tesla due to the relative financial accessability - it's not a gamechanger at £100k+.
It's a dull list otherwise as I think the Corolla is the best of them!
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Post by johnc on Nov 25, 2019 12:56:57 GMT
I think the Tesla 3 is an ugly looking thing from the back and rear quarters whereas the Corolla is by far the best looking car in its class so I'd give it to the Toyota.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 25, 2019 14:01:07 GMT
The Taycan shouldn't get it ahead of the Tesla due to the relative financial accessability - it's not a gamechanger at £100k+. It's a dull list otherwise as I think the Corolla is the best of them! +1, I also share the view that the Model 3 is ugly from the front (not that this is reason enough in itself for me to ban it from winning). What a miserable list though, were there really no "interesting" new cars launched this year? |
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Post by Ben on Nov 25, 2019 14:45:08 GMT
The Taycan shouldn't get it ahead of the Tesla due to the relative financial accessability - it's not a gamechanger at £100k+. It's a dull list otherwise as I think the Corolla is the best of them! +1, I also share the view that the Model 3 is ugly from the front (not that this is reason enough in itself for me to ban it from winning). What a miserable list though, were there really no "interesting" new cars launched this year? Evidently not, although the Supra was nominated in the long list. www.caroftheyear.org/winners/2020/candidates.phpLast year was moderately interesting, with the Jaguar I-Pace beating the Alpine only by tie-breaker (both were tied on points). |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 25, 2019 15:12:29 GMT
Well, I'd rate the Supra over the Model 3 and Corolla for sure !
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 25, 2019 15:35:41 GMT
The Taycan shouldn't get it ahead of the Tesla due to the relative financial accessability - it's not a gamechanger at £100k+. It's a dull list otherwise as I think the Corolla is the best of them! +1, I also share the view that the Model 3 is ugly from the front (not that this is reason enough in itself for me to ban it from winning). What a miserable list though, were there really no "interesting" new cars launched this year? Audi E-Tron? Ferrari F8 Tributo? Porsche Taycan? Tesla Model 3? Z4/Supra twins? Mazda 3? All interesting, surely? |
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 25, 2019 15:38:23 GMT
Supra is supra disappointing therefore it can't win and can really only come second fiddle to the Z4.
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Post by Ben on Nov 25, 2019 16:12:59 GMT
Honestly I don't see why the Taycan shouldn't win. Yes it's expensive but to my mind it is groundbreaking in quite many ways. It's a first full performance EV from a proper sports car manufacturer (not some Silicon Valley startup), plus if its fast charging capabilities takes off it could really change the EV game dramatically.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 25, 2019 16:13:25 GMT
The options are:
BMW 1-series
Ford Puma
Peugeot 208
Porsche Taycan
Renault Clio
Tesla Model 3
Toyota Corolla
Another who thinks this is a miserable list.
BMW - I could imagine this winning in recognition of BMW finally caving in the Euro market's preconceptions of what a small hatchback must be. It's a consummate Euro-hatch by all accounts and a reasonably good one. Provided you hadn't bought the previous model for any other reason than the badge on the bonnet.
Ford Puma - I'd need to google this and can't be bothered. It's some sort of eye-glazing TRoc-type thing so cannot see why it should be ECOTY.
Pug 208 - could easily win. It's the sort of car that does and it is at least quite appealing. Even if the rear door handle treatment is every sort of wrong.
Taycan - could win for innovation but I'd guess insufficiently everyman.
Clio - why?
Tesla - I'd deny it the win for that insane lack of a hatchback.
Corolla - see Puma.
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Post by Tim on Nov 25, 2019 16:26:45 GMT
Honestly I don't see why the Taycan shouldn't win. Yes it's expensive but to my mind it is groundbreaking in quite many ways. It's a first full performance EV from a proper sports car manufacturer (not some Silicon Valley startup), plus if its fast charging capabilities takes off it could really change the EV game dramatically. As far as I know it's not innovative and it's come from a longstanding sportscar manufacturer. If anything out of those 2 the Tesla should win because it's not only cheaper - and thus likely to be the thing that expands the electric network - but exactly because it comes from someone who is such a newly minted car firm. Additionally Tesla appear to be leading the way in fast-charging. |
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Post by michael on Nov 25, 2019 16:48:38 GMT
I can imagine the 208 getting it on account of the availability of engines: petrol, diesel and electric.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 18:51:20 GMT
Every Model 3 I've seen has been white. If it's available in other colours they must be bloody expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 18:52:20 GMT
I think the weeny Honda EV should be in the list.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 25, 2019 20:01:08 GMT
Supra is supra disappointing therefore it can't win and can really only come second fiddle to the Z4. Based on what? From some of the articles I have seen in overseas magazines and on YouTube, it's a cracking car with an engine reputedly somewhat more powerful that the official figures state |
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Post by PG on Nov 25, 2019 20:17:38 GMT
Well at least, after looking at the long list, we can be glad that the X6 and X7 didn't make the cut.
The Pug will probably get it as it is the best all rounder there and as Michael said, available with all odes of propulsion.
I can't see the Tesla getting it, although it probably should, as it is not from a mainstream manufacturer and Tesla don't pander to the press corps. Therefore the journalists will not want to bite the hand that feeds them - i.e the mainstream manufacturers.
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Post by Stuntman on Nov 25, 2019 21:05:31 GMT
Taycan or Tesla Model 3 would get my vote. Both move the game on in different ways, although not necessarily in a direction that appeals to me. However, I was definitely impressed with the Model 3 when I sat in it, and it appears to live up to its performance claims.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 25, 2019 21:25:59 GMT
Supra is supra disappointing therefore it can't win and can really only come second fiddle to the Z4. Based on what? From some of the articles I have seen in overseas magazines and on YouTube, it's a cracking car with an engine reputedly somewhat more powerful that the official figures state I’ve sat in it, proded it and laughed at it. We’ve already had this discussion on another thread so won’t go into it here in detail, but to me and thats all that maters, it’s so disappointing. I enquired about the car with my dealer when the concept was launched way back when. If it looked like the concept and was a proper Toyota I’d have bought one. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 26, 2019 14:06:40 GMT
Horses for courses.
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Post by Sav on Nov 27, 2019 0:30:03 GMT
Peugeot 208. It has petrol, diesel and full EV on the same platform. Maybe not a particularly thrilling car, but it offers different things to different people, important in todays changing landscape. Its also one of the more accessible EV's.
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Post by michael on Nov 27, 2019 9:53:09 GMT
Peugeot 208. It has petrol, diesel and full EV on the same platform. Maybe not a particularly thrilling car, but it offers different things to different people, important in todays changing landscape. Its also one of the more accessible EV's. I thought that but then so is the Golf/ A3 and the VW Up. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 10:20:32 GMT
There's never been an A3 EV, only hybrid.
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Post by michael on Nov 27, 2019 10:35:05 GMT
I thought the A3 e-tron was full electric?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 27, 2019 11:34:49 GMT
Yes I thought so too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:35:46 GMT
It is the same as the Golf GTE, 1.4 petrol engine plus electric motor.
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Post by michael on Nov 27, 2019 11:47:10 GMT
It is the same as the Golf GTE, 1.4 petrol engine plus electric motor. So it is, I didn't know that! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:49:42 GMT
You're welcome!  I'm guessing that the e-Golf will be dropped now VW have the electric jobbie that I've inconveniently forgotten the name of... |
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Post by Tim on Nov 27, 2019 13:15:56 GMT
You're welcome! I'm guessing that the e-Golf will be dropped now VW have the electric jobbie that I've inconveniently forgotten the name of... ID3. I think VW have said exactly that. |
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