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Post by ChrisM on Nov 11, 2019 21:43:18 GMT
Can Hamilton make up for the disappointment of not winning in the USA, can Bottas make it 2 in a row or can Red Bull (or Ferrari) fight back for the win?
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Post by Tim on Nov 12, 2019 8:58:14 GMT
Red Bull or Ferrari for the win.
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Post by johnc on Nov 12, 2019 9:18:07 GMT
Red Bull or Ferrari for the win. Red Bull have certainly got the car to win on a track like Brazil. Ferrari will be all about the drivers and whether they still feel they have something to prove this season. However Hamilton wants 2 more wins so it might still be a 3 way battle. |
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Post by Tim on Nov 12, 2019 9:25:07 GMT
I think Merc will have taken their eye off the ball slightly and it only needs a small drop in attention to lose a bit of time.
Wolff isn't going to the race this weekend, first time since 2014, and I think that's indicative.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 13, 2019 11:45:29 GMT
Apparently Leclerc will take at least a 10-place grid penalty due to having to take a new engine, which could make for an interesting race for him.......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 18:15:57 GMT
Don't overtake on the left, don't overtake on the left..........
A cool race apparently so it's all to play for.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 18, 2019 8:43:53 GMT
Good round of bumper cars.
Now that the penalties have all been finalised, I can go ahead and calculate the scores this evening.......
Interesting that Vettel was not punished for moving over on Leclerc and causing an avoidable collision, but Hamilton was penalised for going for a gap that shrank.
I'm not the only one who feels that the Hamilton/Albon issue was a "racing incident".
And bad luck for Bottas with an engine issue, but maybe it saved him from embarrassment, although it does appear that the Mercedes engines were suffering from something in Brasil, maybe altitude-related
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 18, 2019 9:51:37 GMT
Great race, scraps from start to finish and some good hard racing. What is it about Brazil that always throws up these interesting races?
Had to feel sorry for Hamilton but he was a bit too quick to take full responsibility so what can the stewards do. As a wise man once said "It was a gap, you don't go for it you're no longer a racing driver."
The Ferrari incident was rather silly and the blame has to go 100% on Vettel. You can't try and bully your team mate off the track. Just bad decision making. Mercedes went through a similar thing with Rosberg and Hamilton. The only way around it is if one of them leaves or settles for being number 2.
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Post by humphreythepug on Nov 18, 2019 10:13:48 GMT
Aaaaaaaand Vettel fucks up again, he knew it was his doing, you could tell with his body language whilst milling around the area where he ended up pulling off, very similar to the Turkey (?) incident with Webber when they were both driving for Red Bull.
I just loved Binotto's utterly emotionless expression, it said so much more than throwing a strop or chucking something, it was the look of despair!
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Post by johnc on Nov 18, 2019 10:16:34 GMT
I thought that Hamilton was well within his rights to go for the gap that Albon left at the entrance to the corner and Vettel was absolutely to blame: Leclerc kept his line and gave Vettel enough space but Vettel obviously wanted to make a point for the slightly earlier incident where Leclerc squeezed him (fairly) and just moved over to try to intimidate his team mate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 11:42:05 GMT
Lewis claimed the incident as his fault from the start, after that the stewards had nowhere to go but a time penalty. Impatience perhaps. Seb looks and acts like someone in their last few races while having a strop that he has been replaced as number one at the red team. Whether or not he even turns up for pre season testing let alone next season will be telling. I think not. The big question is who will replace him. The Hulk is free and he might make a reasonable number two for a while. Vettel seems to be done.
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Post by Alex on Nov 18, 2019 13:58:35 GMT
Apparently Leclerc will take at least a 10-place grid penalty due to having to take a new engine, which could make for an interesting race for him....... That was a rather prophetic statement! I think the incident with Vettel sums up Ferrari's season really. As much as I'm sure Vettel will accept that Charles is the future for Ferrari he'd rather it wasn't the the near future. He clearly feels that being a 4x world champion brings with it a certain level of respect such as not having the underling mug him at turn 1, but he needs to accept that it also comes with a responsibility to drive like an experience racer and not react like a petulant child. Charles has shown this season that he has every right to be treated as an equal in the team and if Seb cant accept that he may find he's politely asked to move on. Lewis was perhaps a bit quick to admit blame but the loss of points in a championship he's already won is well worth it when there's the opportunity to demonstrate a bit of sportsmanship on a day when a rival multi championship winner fell flat on his face on that front. He was right to say that he rarely hits other drivers because he doesn't and his apology will have been appreciated by the public (though probably not Alex Albon - but I reckon his bosses at Red Bull will rightly advise him to consider it the racing incident that it could be argued it was). Lewis is starting to think about his legacy and this allowed him to quickly draw a line under a fairly uncommon error and let the spotlight fall on others mistakes. |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 18, 2019 20:04:11 GMT
Apparently Leclerc will take at least a 10-place grid penalty due to having to take a new engine, which could make for an interesting race for him....... That was a rather prophetic statement! (snip) Lewis was perhaps a bit quick to admit blame but the loss of points in a championship he's already won is well worth it when there's the opportunity to demonstrate a bit of sportsmanship on a day when a rival multi championship winner fell flat on his face on that front. Indeed. In recent years we have now had both Red Bulls take each other out Both Mercedes take each other out Both Ferraris take each other out (twice) and IIRC both Force Indias take each other out Not sure what that says about the current breed of drivers..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 20:24:26 GMT
There is a correlation there, I wonder who he is........
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Post by Sav on Nov 18, 2019 22:40:05 GMT
Wow, those final laps were like something you get in the US. A full Safety Car period for Bottas’ stricken Merc was heavy-handed, a VSC would have been sufficient.
Interesting incidents, I thought that Ricciardo had commanded enough of his car alongside the Haas in turn four. Magnussen left room, but he wanted to race Ricciardo on the exit of the turn. Turn 4 has such a narrow margin for turn-in, Ricciardo was arriving at a more acute angle, and eventually ran out of room. Magnussen is a strange one; you’re never sure what he will do in wheel-to-wheel combat. For his own race, he should have let Ricciardo go, rather than driving offline on every lap and ultimately slowing himself down.
Maybe someone has sat down with Vettel about his race craft, but they probably haven’t. One can go back to Turkey when he wiped both Red Bull’s out, and other incidents, race craft is not his strongest area. Ferrari need to be looking for a new driver, last year the team was blamed too much when contending for the title; the most critical errors were made by Vettel himself.
Hamilton v Albon, it was probably Hamilton’s fault. Hamilton was always going to be challenging Albon in every turn, even in places where passing is impossible, with that grip advantage. Maybe Albon should have been more aware, he admitted as such afterwards. However, Hamilton was a bit late into the corner, started to lock-up so wasn’t fully in control, and Albon had to turn-in somewhere – Albon was never going to disappear.
More generally, the FIA have indicated that they want to encourage drivers to have a go without getting penalised as a slam dunk in the future. However, it could be argued that the incidents with Ricciardo and Hamilton were hard racing. If someone gets spun out and two cars are alongside each other, it’s racing. Ultimately the penalty with these cars is a torn-up front wing or a bent wishbone, so nobody is going to start ramming someone just because the FIA relax the threshold for penalties.
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