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Post by racingteatray on Oct 9, 2019 15:19:31 GMT
That's definitely thinking outside the box.
Well these are the sort of sacrifices we'd have to make. It's not exactly Gilead! |
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Post by johnc on Oct 9, 2019 16:05:09 GMT
Not that I have even the slightest interest in ladyboys but that is the kind of thinking that's needed Bob. We could always set up New UK in the south of Spain and that would save the serious environmental cost of the average Brit flying off on holiday. Gibraltar could be the capital and the Spanish could be given reciprocal rights to move (by bicycle) to the UK if they found the army of hanky wearing, string vest drunks, too much to take.
Climate change might also make Brexit redundant.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 9, 2019 16:07:18 GMT
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Post by michael on Oct 9, 2019 17:01:18 GMT
When Extinction Rebellion had their sailing boat parked up outside The Old Vic during the height of summer they decamped to Waterloo Millenium Green and lit a fire to sing around. It was 30 degree Celsius in London that afternoon. The whole thing seems to be a catch all for bored, unemployed performing arts students.
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Post by chipbutty on Oct 9, 2019 17:09:35 GMT
Defeatism is all relative.... if these little actions were taken globally, then maybe there would be a noticeable benefit that gives a few more years breathing space.
However - if it's UK and Europe only whilst everyone else carries on regardless, it won't make a blind bit of difference, particularly if you start to think about how would you even begin to police this.
As an example – if it’s decided that taking flights are bad and generally should be frowned upon, how do we determine which flights are allowable and which aren’t ? Do trips to visit relatives trump business flights or the annual holiday to Benidorm ?, do we just decide that what’s needed is a huge flight tax that gets indiscriminately levied on every flight and feck you if you can’t afford it ?
Maybe we give everyone a carbon allowance ? – I can spend mine on a V8 and burgers, other people can spend theirs on a flight to Disneyland, turning the heating on early in October and buying clothes made in a sweat shop that have the c02 footprint of a small power station.
The sources of “ co2 generation “ and ability to measure the impacts are absolutely endless – yet I am not hearing sensible and rational suggestions on how to manage this and make a positive impact. Instead it’s sweeping statements about banning this and taxing that and threatening to be a gigantic pain in the arse if the weird kid from Sweden can't stamp her feet and sneer at the planet killing scum.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 9, 2019 17:51:23 GMT
I did think of the carbon allowance point. Everyone gets a base allowance, which you can then pay to top up. Therefore enabling you to do additional polluting things provided you cough up. Being abusive to Greta Thunberg is uncalled for. She calls out the governments, the big businesses, the rich in the West (including America). She asks them to lead by example. To honour the Paris Accord. To do something, anything. Isn't that to be encouraged? Where else/how else do you start? I am increasingly involved at work in what we call the "greening of finance and financing of green". There is noticeable investor clamour for "green" investments but there is a huge shortage of them - something like $6trn of bonds are issued globally each year and yet this year only $250bn is expected to qualify as green (which would be the most ever in one year). That's just 4%. The idea is not just to get investors to shun polluting or unsustainable businesses, but to actively invest in sustainable and green businesses, thereby pressuring big business to clean up its act. It's one of the hottest topics in the City right now. Another area our corporate clients are increasingly focused on is "climate resilience" - see here: www.bsr.org/en/our-insights/report-view/resilient-business-resilient-world-private-sector-climate-adaptation. You can be sure that if they focusing on it, it's because there is a problem. |
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 9, 2019 22:03:14 GMT
I can't really say much about the crusties in Central London seeing as how my 40-something cousin is there giving yoga classes to the massed ranks of them to relax them (she's always been that kind of hippy).
Alas I do have lots of kids, all breathing, eating meat and farting so I can't claim I'm doing my bit (having just booked flights and hired a car for Christmas as well). We are, as a species, naturally keen to maintain the climate to such a condition as to enable us to remain viable but I'm sure there are some others that can't wait to see the back of us - perhaps the earth itself too.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 9, 2019 22:04:38 GMT
By the way I've just paid for the replacement for the Magic Carpet Rocketship.
Pictures to follow.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 9, 2019 22:13:43 GMT
By the way I've just paid for the replacement for the Magic Carpet Rocketship. Pictures to follow. Back on topic, phew. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 6:54:24 GMT
Doers it have environmentally friendly hemp tyres though?...........
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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2019 13:36:54 GMT
Back off topic....I’ve just had an email from Shell explaining how I can drive carbon neutral if I purchase all fuel through their app. They will plant a tree for every 5 fill ups which is supposed to balance out the environmental impact of producing, distributing and using the fuel. Although that’s based on a fill up being 30 litres.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 10, 2019 13:42:25 GMT
Back off topic....I’ve just had an email from Shell explaining how I can drive carbon neutral if I purchase all fuel through their app. They will plant a tree for every 5 fill ups which is supposed to balance out the environmental impact of producing, distributing and using the fuel. Although that’s based on a fill up being 30 litres. Will they name your forest after you? |
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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2019 14:48:46 GMT
Back off topic....I’ve just had an email from Shell explaining how I can drive carbon neutral if I purchase all fuel through their app. They will plant a tree for every 5 fill ups which is supposed to balance out the environmental impact of producing, distributing and using the fuel. Although that’s based on a fill up being 30 litres. Will they name your forest after you? I’d be planting about 40 trees a year, so not quite a forest, but it would be a good start. |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 10, 2019 17:04:08 GMT
Will they name your forest after you? I’d be planting about 40 trees a year, so not quite a forest, but it would be a good start. Martin's Copse. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2019 17:14:33 GMT
I’d be planting about 40 trees a year, so not quite a forest, but it would be a good start. Martin's Copse. I read that as corpse... |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 10, 2019 18:32:41 GMT
Knowing my luck I’d probably get a commendation from The Dogging Society of Great Britain.
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Post by Stuntman on Oct 10, 2019 21:43:42 GMT
Stuntman's Spinney?
Twelfth's Thicket?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 11, 2019 8:12:19 GMT
By the way I've just paid for the replacement for the Magic Carpet Rocketship. Pictures to follow.  I like it; comfortable ride and low emissions. |
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 11, 2019 9:12:52 GMT
Damn. Spotted already.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 11, 2019 11:47:50 GMT
Where are all these trees being planted? In Brazil where they are felled after just a few years ??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 12:07:49 GMT
You might want a respray on that, it's a bit fright for London town you might frighten old ladies, kids and coppers on the beat.
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