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Post by Roadsterstu on Aug 22, 2019 9:58:07 GMT
I don’t suppose they’ll keep it much longer though, as daughter no.3 has just arrived. My sister, who used to drive an X-Type estate but these days has two children and a rather bigger Passat GTE estate, was the first to say “oh my God, how are you all fitting in?”. It's quite amazing how much room we need, or think we need, in a car now. I hear of more and more people taking 2 cars on holiday, the latest being a colleague who, for a family long weekend camping in Norfolk, took both their Megane estate and their whatever-it-is supermini sized car. For 3 of them! He said himself it was stupid and they could manage easily in the Megane but his missus was adamant they needed both.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 22, 2019 10:47:34 GMT
I don’t suppose they’ll keep it much longer though, as daughter no.3 has just arrived. My sister, who used to drive an X-Type estate but these days has two children and a rather bigger Passat GTE estate, was the first to say “oh my God, how are you all fitting in?”. It's quite amazing how much room we need, or think we need, in a car now. I hear of more and more people taking 2 cars on holiday, the latest being a colleague who, for a family long weekend camping in Norfolk, took both their Megane estate and their whatever-it-is supermini sized car. For 3 of them! He said himself it was stupid and they could manage easily in the Megane but his missus was adamant they needed both. Madness isn't it? I remember family holidays to Cornwall in a Cortina and my dad jumping onto the boot lid to get it to latch with all our bags in.
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Post by Eff One on Aug 22, 2019 11:33:57 GMT
Think MX5 with a roof rather then diet Mustang. Exactly. The 370Z is fast, but it's a heavy, thirsty, brutish thing. The GT86/BRZ is 350kg lighter and was designed for people who prioritise feel and flow along the road over absolute performance - ie, me. I've never driven one but I'd be surprised if I didn't like it. That said, I would prefer a bit more grunt.
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Post by PG on Aug 22, 2019 12:33:49 GMT
I don’t suppose they’ll keep it much longer though, as daughter no.3 has just arrived. My sister, who used to drive an X-Type estate but these days has two children and a rather bigger Passat GTE estate, was the first to say “oh my God, how are you all fitting in?”. It's quite amazing how much room we need, or think we need, in a car now. I hear of more and more people taking 2 cars on holiday, the latest being a colleague who, for a family long weekend camping in Norfolk, took both their Megane estate and their whatever-it-is supermini sized car. For 3 of them! He said himself it was stupid and they could manage easily in the Megane but his missus was adamant they needed both. On our trip to Cornwall earlier in the year we visited a small fishing village and witnessed a family (mother, father, 3 boys about 8-12 ish) leaving their holiday cottage (so bedding and towels probably provided). They had filled their RR Velar to the roof and also loaded the trailer it was towing with "stuff". If they'd been towing a boat or dinghy that might have been different. And we then had joy of watching Mrs Velar block the road for a few minutes as she could not manage reversing the trailer. In 1966 we drove five-up in an Austin 1100 for a three week holiday to Spain. Boot plus roof-rack for luggage. My dad was a master car packer. I remember he even used the spare wheel well to pack food.
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Post by Tim on Aug 22, 2019 13:22:51 GMT
Think MX5 with a roof rather then diet Mustang. Exactly. The 370Z is fast, but it's a heavy, thirsty, brutish thing. The GT86/BRZ is 350kg lighter and was designed for people who prioritise feel and flow along the road over absolute performance - ie, me. I've never driven one but I'd be surprised if I didn't like it. That said, I would prefer a bit more grunt. Ah, ok. I don't think the GT86 would suit my driving style then. The last car I REALLY rang the neck of was probably some underpowered courtesy car. I'm not sure how many opportunities there are to thrash the nuts off a 200BHP car for more than a few seconds and the rest of the time it sounds like you're left with a torque-lite buzzy engine attached to something nimble but not exactly light years better - at, say 6 or 7/10ths - than the 370. I remember test driving the Civic Type R when it came out in 2002 and being underwhelmed by the lack of everyday performance compared to my Punto HGT. Sure, the Civic was significantly faster above 6k revs but even back then the prospect of dropping down to 2nd gear at the end of every town or village wasn't particularly appealing.
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 22, 2019 13:44:23 GMT
Loved and hated my Civic in equal measure. The Engine at post 5000rpm was an absolute joy and there was huge fun in wringing its neck. The car loved being thrashed but the traction was awful and spun up its tyres at even the smallest prod of the accelerator.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 22, 2019 14:03:46 GMT
Exactly. The 370Z is fast, but it's a heavy, thirsty, brutish thing. The GT86/BRZ is 350kg lighter and was designed for people who prioritise feel and flow along the road over absolute performance - ie, me. I've never driven one but I'd be surprised if I didn't like it. That said, I would prefer a bit more grunt. Ah, ok. I don't think the GT86 would suit my driving style then. The last car I REALLY rang the neck of was probably some underpowered courtesy car. I'm not sure how many opportunities there are to thrash the nuts off a 200BHP car for more than a few seconds and the rest of the time it sounds like you're left with a torque-lite buzzy engine attached to something nimble but not exactly light years better - at, say 6 or 7/10ths - than the 370. I remember test driving the Civic Type R when it came out in 2002 and being underwhelmed by the lack of everyday performance compared to my Punto HGT. Sure, the Civic was significantly faster above 6k revs but even back then the prospect of dropping down to 2nd gear at the end of every town or village wasn't particularly appealing. It's not about "thrashing the nuts off". The point of the GT86 and it's Subaru brother are that you can enjoy their qualities more of the time at normal speeds (hence the skinny tyres), as oppsed to something that only really comes into its own on a track or, as is the case of the 370Z, a point and squirt between traffic lights.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 22, 2019 15:07:30 GMT
Ah, ok. I don't think the GT86 would suit my driving style then. The last car I REALLY rang the neck of was probably some underpowered courtesy car. I'm not sure how many opportunities there are to thrash the nuts off a 200BHP car for more than a few seconds and the rest of the time it sounds like you're left with a torque-lite buzzy engine attached to something nimble but not exactly light years better - at, say 6 or 7/10ths - than the 370. I remember test driving the Civic Type R when it came out in 2002 and being underwhelmed by the lack of everyday performance compared to my Punto HGT. Sure, the Civic was significantly faster above 6k revs but even back then the prospect of dropping down to 2nd gear at the end of every town or village wasn't particularly appealing. It's not about "thrashing the nuts off". The point of the GT86 and it's Subaru brother are that you can enjoy their qualities more of the time at normal speeds (hence the skinny tyres), as oppsed to something that only really comes into its own on a track or, as is the case of the 370Z, a point and squirt between traffic lights. This is reading very much like a 4/4 vs. +8 thread on the Morgan forum. The thing is you can easily tweak some extra power and torque out of a 4/4 while keeping the light weight and skinny tyres. Even without the tweaks, the 4/4 is absolute scream to drive, since you can drive it like something posessed and not lose your licence.
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Post by Tim on Aug 22, 2019 15:16:05 GMT
Ah, ok. I don't think the GT86 would suit my driving style then. The last car I REALLY rang the neck of was probably some underpowered courtesy car. I'm not sure how many opportunities there are to thrash the nuts off a 200BHP car for more than a few seconds and the rest of the time it sounds like you're left with a torque-lite buzzy engine attached to something nimble but not exactly light years better - at, say 6 or 7/10ths - than the 370. I remember test driving the Civic Type R when it came out in 2002 and being underwhelmed by the lack of everyday performance compared to my Punto HGT. Sure, the Civic was significantly faster above 6k revs but even back then the prospect of dropping down to 2nd gear at the end of every town or village wasn't particularly appealing. It's not about "thrashing the nuts off". The point of the GT86 and it's Subaru brother are that you can enjoy their qualities more of the time at normal speeds (hence the skinny tyres), as oppsed to something that only really comes into its own on a track or, as is the case of the 370Z, a point and squirt between traffic lights. The 370 can go round corners too!
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