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Post by racingteatray on Aug 6, 2019 15:26:06 GMT
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Post by Blarno on Aug 6, 2019 15:45:18 GMT
It looks like a Focus. Which is not a shining endorsement as the new Focus looks like a melted Hyundai.
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Post by Tim on Aug 6, 2019 15:47:30 GMT
So, it's basically just another 300BHP front-biased 4wd hot hatch with a farty exhaust and an autobox.
Really sounds like there's no choice in this part of the market beyond which particular German badge you want on the front of your car.
Plus it looks a lot like a Ford Focus.
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 6, 2019 15:47:50 GMT
It looks like a Focus. Which is not a shining endorsement as the new Focus looks like a melted Hyundai. It looks like a Focus that's been rear-ended. The back looks sort of squashed-in and commensurately the wide-eyed look of the front end makes me think of the sort of face Frankie Howerd would pull if you mentioned being rear-ended... |
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Post by Blarno on Aug 6, 2019 15:52:44 GMT
Parpshift is the bane of modern gearboxes.
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Post by Martin on Aug 6, 2019 16:07:12 GMT
Parpshift is the bane of modern gearboxes. Agreed, which is avoided (thankfully) on the Golf if you stay out of race mode. As for the BMW, doesn’t appeal to me either, doesn’t look anywhere near as good as the Golf and doesn’t sounds anything special to drive. At least the M140i had a really good engine to make it unique in the class, just a shame it wasn’t a bit better to drive. |
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 6, 2019 16:48:38 GMT
I really couldn't find much to fault with mine in terms with the way it drove, apart from a tendency for the adaptive suspension to clonk occasionally at the front over bumps as if something was broken (which BMW told me was a foible of the system, although my adaptive-equipped 440i has never clonked).
I seem to recall it was one of those cars that was absolutely the Second Coming when it first came out and then progressively fell out of favour as newer shinier things came along.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 16:55:39 GMT
Parpshift has lessened since WLTP and cracks or pops on overrun or downshifts are a no no now.
With regards to this particular car, that diffuser style rear bumper is utterly pointless when it has that massive backbox hanging down below it. Most of the car looks shite but that is the worst bit. Quite like the inside, though, to be fair.
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Post by Martin on Aug 6, 2019 17:05:33 GMT
I really couldn't find much to fault with mine in terms with the way it drove, apart from a tendency for the adaptive suspension to clonk occasionally at the front over bumps as if something was broken (which BMW told me was a foible of the system, although my adaptive-equipped 440i has never clonked). I seem to recall it was one of those cars that was absolutely the Second Coming when it first came out and then progressively fell out of favour as newer shinier things came along. I was fairly sure we’d get an M140i. I had a couple of hours in one with adaptive suspension and tried it on a variety of roads. It was good on smooth roads and felt like a bigger car on the motorway, but the rear end was a bit ‘bouncy’ on the country roads around home. Not as bad as the 130i was, but enough to make you back off and even in the dry it had traction issues. Drove a DCC equipped Golf R less than an hour later and it was so much better, I knew within a few minutes we wouldn’t be buying the BMW. It flowed down the road really nicely (like a Porsche does), steering felt better and it was just as comfortable on the motorway. |
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Post by Ben on Aug 6, 2019 18:13:04 GMT
I thought the Autocar review was a tad harsh TBH, as I've also driven the car on the international drive.
In a certain way I do understand both sides, sorta. Yes it doesn't quite feel the same as before, but it's still very, very good. Dropping RWD is a somewhat necessary measure for practical reasons, but they've done the best they can to work around the limitations I feel.
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 7, 2019 8:12:39 GMT
It can be as good as it likes, it just lacks any "ooh want one" factor, which the previous version had regardless of whether it flowed like a Porsche.
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Post by Martin on Aug 7, 2019 8:59:39 GMT
Some bargains to be had on the M140i now. This one is pre registered but hasn’t done any miles and includes memory seats, professional Nav, black panel display, enhanced bluetooth, folding mirrors, camera etc. £26,995. link |
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Post by PG on Aug 7, 2019 13:16:27 GMT
Based on the popularity of the A class AMG 45 and the newer 35, it will probably sell on PCP to that sort of market. To people who don't care that it is not RWD but care that it is a fast BMW and makes them look cool (in their minds, not necessarily in ours).
Those that bought the previous RWD 135/140 because that was what it was, were a minority of the buyers that BMW want to reach. BMW are a mainstream brand now, not a brand for enthusiasts. So they want market share and volume. The press are going to have to get their head round that and the less than glowing review of this new 1'er means that they may well be doing that. As compared to other competitors - like the Golf R - it is no longer the default "enthusiast's choice" that can therefore justify glowing reports.
For me, this holds zero appeal, same as the AMG35/45 hold zero appeal. But then I'm no longer in that target market.
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Post by Ben on Aug 7, 2019 13:28:35 GMT
It can be as good as it likes, it just lacks any "ooh want one" factor, which the previous version had regardless of whether it flowed like a Porsche. That's fair I guess. Basically PG hit the nail on the head. |
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Post by grampa on Aug 7, 2019 14:15:43 GMT
It can be as good as it likes, it just lacks any "ooh want one" factor, which the previous version had regardless of whether it flowed like a Porsche. And that's always the rub with any car - no matter how good they are it has to have that factor if you're going to sink your own money into it - which is why I have made many irrational choices such as a Calibra over a 318is, a Xedos 6 over a 320, a Megane 225 over a Golf GTi etc etc. |
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Post by Martin on Aug 7, 2019 17:11:46 GMT
For me, this holds zero appeal, same as the AMG35/45 hold zero appeal. But then I'm no longer in that target market. You were in that market a few weeks ago! |
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Post by PG on Aug 7, 2019 18:05:58 GMT
For me, this holds zero appeal, same as the AMG35/45 hold zero appeal. But then I'm no longer in that target market. You were in that market a few weeks ago! I guess it depends what you consider "that market" to be :-) I'd rather poke my eyes out than get a new BMW 135i or AMG35/45. I don't really consider the Mini JCW 3 door we went for to be in the same class - it's a class below in my mind. But then what do I know v the marketing department of all these companies.... |
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Post by Martin on Aug 7, 2019 18:21:50 GMT
You were in that market a few weeks ago! I guess it depends what you consider "that market" to be :-) I'd rather poke my eyes out than get a new BMW 135i or AMG35/45. I don't really consider the Mini JCW 3 door we went for to be in the same class - it's a class below in my mind. But then what do I know v the marketing department of all these companies.... Hot Hatches.....you might not like the alternatives but I still think you were in that market! You just didn’t try any of the alternatives and went for the one you liked the look of! Tongue in cheek and not a criticism btw, I’ve always been a big MINI fan and totally get the appeal.  You’re right, the JCW is in the class below but MINI marketing will be after the same customer now they’ve got the M135i engine in the Countryman/Clubman. |
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Post by johnc on Oct 23, 2019 16:19:42 GMT
A view of the new 1 series from the younger (about to be able to drive) generation: my daughter turned to me last night showing me a photo of a new 1 series on her phone and said "are they having a laugh - from that (showing an old 140i) to that! Do they not want to sell any cars? That is boggin'"
But then BMW's design team obviously know much better than their customers.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 23, 2019 17:42:38 GMT
A view of the new 1 series from the younger (about to be able to drive) generation: my daughter turned to me last night showing me a photo of a new 1 series on her phone and said "are they having a laugh - from that (showing an old 140i) to that! Do they not want to sell any cars? That is boggin'" But then BMW's design team obviously know much better than their customers. A word that, to me anyway, only sounds right in a Scottish accent! Plus, she's quite correct too. Very impressive John - you've taught her well! |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 23, 2019 18:39:20 GMT
Indeed! I remember it well from my university days. "Mingin" is the other one but "boggin" is even more quintessentially Scottish to me.
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Post by johnc on Oct 24, 2019 8:54:20 GMT
As you might imagine those are not the kinds of word we like to hear about the house but I did think it summed it up perfectly.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 24, 2019 9:00:09 GMT
As you might imagine those are not the kinds of word we like to hear about the house but I did think it summed it up perfectly. Come now...surely you don't want your kids to be the rather pale, uptight and prim sorts who I recall were referred to at university as "wee Anguses" or "wee Mhairis"... |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 24, 2019 9:25:09 GMT
I remember being referred to in Edinburgh as a "Geordie Spangle"  |
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Post by johnc on Oct 24, 2019 9:44:00 GMT
Come now...surely you don't want your kids to be the rather pale, uptight and prim sorts who I recall were referred to at university as "wee Anguses" or "wee Mhairis"... There is absolutely no chance of that: it's more a matter of keeping it in check and teaching her how and when such language might be appropriate. She just needs to sit in the car beside my wife for a run through traffic and she learns plenty of words and the context in which they might be used! |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 24, 2019 9:50:48 GMT
I remember being referred to in Edinburgh as a "Geordie Spangle" That's hilarious. At St Andrews, Sassenach public school types such as myself are I suspect still known as "Yahs"... |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 24, 2019 10:03:19 GMT
I remember being referred to in Edinburgh as a "Geordie Spangle" That's hilarious. At St Andrews, Sassenach public school types such as myself are I suspect still known as "Yahs"... Possibly, I know in Durham they're referred to as "Rahs". |
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Post by Tim on Oct 24, 2019 11:14:01 GMT
I remember being referred to in Edinburgh as a "Geordie Spangle" That's hilarious. At St Andrews, Sassenach public school types such as myself are I suspect still known as "Yahs"... Your suspicions are correct although I think they are less numerous then they were in your day. A word I hear used quite a lot in Dundee is 'belter' and it's not meant in a complimentary way. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 24, 2019 12:35:13 GMT
A view of the new 1 series from the younger (about to be able to drive) generation: my daughter turned to me last night showing me a photo of a new 1 series on her phone and said "are they having a laugh - from that (showing an old 140i) to that! Do they not want to sell any cars? That is boggin'" But then BMW's design team obviously know much better than their customers. Brilliant! |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 24, 2019 12:40:18 GMT
That's hilarious. At St Andrews, Sassenach public school types such as myself are I suspect still known as "Yahs"... Your suspicions are correct although I think they are less numerous then they were in your day. A word I hear used quite a lot in Dundee is 'belter' and it's not meant in a complimentary way. In my day, horribly long ago, the Ma Bells pub used to be colloquially known among the students as "Yah Bells" for the preponderance of Sloane Rangers it attracted. |
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