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Post by Tim on Jun 21, 2019 10:27:53 GMT
So, he's a shoe-in for the next leader then?
Unless his team fail to keep such a tight grip of him as they have done so far but even then I suspect he has a Trumpesque teflon-like quality about him.
Are we doomed or is he going to actually be a good leader and manage the apparently impossible tasks of getting us through Brexit while reuniting the country AND the Tory party?
I know he's been criticised for some lack of attention to detail but perhaps that will be a refreshing change as, in my opinion, we've got too close to 'leader-as-dictator in recent years, it's meant to be a democracy across the board which is why I've never been happy with references to 'Mrs May's deal' as if it was all her own work. She might not've been a successful PM but she wasn't Robert Mugabe!
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 21, 2019 11:10:29 GMT
Yes, I reckon he's a shoe-in absent circumstances I cannot currently imagine. Hunt was a Remainer and no amount of declared conversion to their cause is going to make the Brexit zealots in the Tory membership (a majority of whom apparently think Brexit is worth the collapse of the union and a significant reduction in living standards) overlook that.
There's a good piece in the Spectator by Matthew Parris about him. It's not positive.
Some suggest that what may happen in practice is that Boris becomes PM and gets to treat it as a sort of quasi-ceremonial role where he gets to nominally lead, puff and preen in the limelight Trump-style, while Head Boy Hunt becomes Deputy PM / First Secretary of State and gets delegated all the hard detail work of running a country. Which could possibly work.
Certainly he'll be a sea-change from May.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 11:10:41 GMT
Surprising even myself, I felt sorry for May - talk about a poisoned chalice. Can't abide Johnson, and I think he'll just drag us out with minimal regard to consequence and divide the nation further.
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Post by scouse on Jun 21, 2019 11:16:55 GMT
Allegedly she did set up a parallel negotiation team to the DeXEU that reported only her so it kinda was her deal. Plus all other Ministers had to report to her for approval as opposed to running their departments. IF BoJo can set the direction and get the electorate on board, then appoint the right Ministers (not easy with the current crop I know) and then let them get on with it, he should be a success. He didn't do too bad a job in London (cycle superhighway aside.) by all accounts..
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 21, 2019 12:14:55 GMT
Perhaps Boris isn't quite as unpredictable as he once was a few years ago but there is that constant, nagging, "what the fuck will he say/do next?" worry about him. Not nearly as bad as Trump but heading in that general direction.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 21, 2019 13:04:41 GMT
He didn't do too bad a job in London (cycle superhighway aside.) by all accounts.. "Didn't do too bad a job" is probably the kindest way of putting it.
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Post by Alex on Jun 21, 2019 19:40:38 GMT
He didn't do too bad a job in London (cycle superhighway aside.) by all accounts.. "Didn't do too bad a job" is probably the kindest way of putting it. No, he did a terrible job! The bikes were good, but that was Ken’s idea. The Olympics went well but he wasn’t involved in winning the bid to host them and did little of the organising. He took on a load of specially designed buses whose hybrid systems rarely work and have not been picked as the vehicle of choice by any other city. He ‘spaffed’ tens of millions of pounds on a garden bridge despite not a single brick being laid. Probably best not to discuss his record has Home Secretary and as for countless wives and mistresses he’s lied to and cheated on well, it hardly makes him come out as trustworthy. He promised his constituents he would lie down in front of the bulldozersif they tried to build a third runway at Heathrow but conveniently found himself overseas when the voting took place to determine if the airport should be awarded it. He’s a proven liar who’s incompetent knows no bounds and god help us when his brexit reality sets in and he finds there is no one in Brussels to negotiate with before October 31st and parliament once again blocks no deal, we’ll either be back where we started or he’ll trick and lie his way into getting it through. Happy days.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 21, 2019 22:19:33 GMT
"Didn't do too bad a job" is probably the kindest way of putting it. No, he did a terrible job! The bikes were good, but that was Ken’s idea. The Olympics went well but he wasn’t involved in winning the bid to host them and did little of the organising. He took on a load of specially designed buses whose hybrid systems rarely work and have not been picked as the vehicle of choice by any other city. He ‘spaffed’ tens of millions of pounds on a garden bridge despite not a single brick being laid. Probably best not to discuss his record has Home Secretary and as for countless wives and mistresses he’s lied to and cheated on well, it hardly makes him come out as trustworthy. He promised his constituents he would lie down in front of the bulldozersif they tried to build a third runway at Heathrow but conveniently found himself overseas when the voting took place to determine if the airport should be awarded it. He’s a proven liar who’s incompetent knows no bounds and god help us when his brexit reality sets in and he finds there is no one in Brussels to negotiate with before October 31st and parliament once again blocks no deal, we’ll either be back where we started or he’ll trick and lie his way into getting it through. Happy days. Still did a better job than Khan is doing though. Rabbit in the headlights that fella.
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 22, 2019 8:06:47 GMT
He does have charm, charisma, a quick wit and (probably) a big brain. That's good enough for a leader, as long as he is kept away from actually doing anything important. I think he is unquestionably the best/right choice for the Conservative Party from the candidates available right now. I think Michael Gove is far more able, but he is no leader. And I'm particularly pleased that Rory Stewart got knocked out relatively early on. I just wanted to punch him in the face very hard, several times
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Post by Alex on Jun 22, 2019 8:48:44 GMT
He does have charm, charisma, a quick wit and (probably) a big brain. That's good enough for a leader, as long as he is kept away from actually doing anything important. I think he is unquestionably the best/right choice for the Conservative Party from the candidates available right now. I think Michael Gove is far more able, but he is no leader. And I'm particularly pleased that Rory Stewart got knocked out relatively early on. I just wanted to punch him in the face very hard, several times Rory Stewart seemed to be going for the ‘down with the kids’ type campaign like ‘call me Dave’ Cameron did once but I don’t think they’re looking for that right now. You are right, of course, Boris is at least something of an alpha male who will lead the party. Gove is just too afraid to say yes to something and have the balls to say “I will do this”. The recent Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall interview with him about plastic showed this up. He just kept saying “yes of course we should do something” rather than “I will do something about this”. Ok he might not be able to do something about it but if he says he will and then gives it a damn good go we would respect him for it. Unfortunately Boris does do that but is quite enept and so blunders unto things like a bull in a proverbial crockery store. Hopefully when he’s leader he will have better people around him to try and temper his foolish ways.
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Post by PG on Jun 22, 2019 12:22:56 GMT
He does have charm, charisma, a quick wit and (probably) a big brain. That's good enough for a leader, as long as he is kept away from actually doing anything important. I think he is unquestionably the best/right choice for the Conservative Party from the candidates available right now. I think Michael Gove is far more able, but he is no leader. And I'm particularly pleased that Rory Stewart got knocked out relatively early on. I just wanted to punch him in the face very hard, several times This. He is probably the only one who could beat Corbyn as well. This morning's news about the police at his apartment is going to get milked to death by his opponents - especially by those in the media who are against him. But if we are to say that anybody who has ever had a bad row with their partner cannot be PM, then that rules out 99.9% of the population. But what does it say about the person who was so worried about the safety of Boris' girlfriend that their first thought was to record to conversation and give (or sell?) it to the Guardian.
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Post by johnc on Jun 22, 2019 13:00:17 GMT
But what does it say about the person who was so worried about the safety of Boris' girlfriend that their first thought was to record to conversation and give (or sell?) it to the Guardian. I'd like to know how they recorded it so clearly. Any "through the walls" argument I have heard has always been sufficiently muffled that you only pick up odd words with the ear. What kind of recording equipment did they have to make it nice and clear? Have the security services have been at it again?
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 22, 2019 14:43:52 GMT
A bit of role play never hurt anyone.
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 22, 2019 20:54:16 GMT
^^^ What's the safe word? Brexit?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 22, 2019 21:59:26 GMT
But what does it say about the person who was so worried about the safety of Boris' girlfriend that their first thought was to record to conversation and give (or sell?) it to the Guardian. I'd like to know how they recorded it so clearly. Any "through the walls" argument I have heard has always been sufficiently muffled that you only pick up odd words with the ear. What kind of recording equipment did they have to make it nice and clear? Have the security services have been at it again? It looks like the neighbours are anti-Brexit and allowed sympathetic journalists to place listening devices.
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Post by Tim on Jun 24, 2019 8:16:23 GMT
I agree that the story about his argument is a storm in a teacup but actually he (and by that I mean his advisers) have made it worse by refusing to answer any questions.
If he'd simply stood up and said it was a domestic and asked the audience if any of them had NEVER had such a thing then I think he would've defused it completely.
These attempts to keep him away from any sort of public activity in case he puts his foot in it are actually in danger of spoiling his campaign. The Tory faithful know he's a bit gaff-prone and they probably make allowances for it but at the moment he comes across as running scared. They need to remember that at present he only has to appeal to 120,000 retired colonel types, rather than the electorate.
I also don't think the Tories need him to defeat Corbyn - the latter appears popular among the hard core Labour mob but not anywhere else.
I also don't think Boris is the person to reunite the Tory party - he's a divisive character and will struggle to appeal to them all.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 24, 2019 9:47:17 GMT
I'd like to know how they recorded it so clearly. Any "through the walls" argument I have heard has always been sufficiently muffled that you only pick up odd words with the ear. What kind of recording equipment did they have to make it nice and clear? Have the security services have been at it again? It looks like the neighbours are anti-Brexit and allowed sympathetic journalists to place listening devices. Is that fact or supposition?
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 24, 2019 9:48:22 GMT
Boris Johnson is a cock. And I don't much care for Hunt but I thought his comment in the Times about cowardice and seeking to sneak into 10DS by the back door was spot on.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 24, 2019 9:48:52 GMT
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 24, 2019 19:45:37 GMT
As at 8.45pm on 24th June, Ladbrokes have it as 1/5 Johnson and 7/2 Hunt.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 24, 2019 22:43:16 GMT
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Post by Tim on Jun 25, 2019 9:01:18 GMT
I knew I'd seen those 2 somewhere before.
Anyway, BoJo's policy of not answering questions appears to be appealing to his core voter base - a straw pole of the 1 person I know to be a Tory member, an Aunt in her mid-70s* declared that he's a good man and all this questioning of him is unfair. It doesn't matter at the moment what the wider electorate think does it.
*She's a rare person being a pro-Remain voter living in rural Lincolnshire...........
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 25, 2019 9:04:58 GMT
As a member, I think I will abstain.
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Post by Tim on Jun 25, 2019 9:31:17 GMT
As a member, I think I will abstain. That makes 2! I now know more people who are a Tory member than I do people who admit to supporting Raith Rovers Football Club!
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Post by Alex on Jun 25, 2019 17:29:25 GMT
The lying toad has now started saying that Mark Carney is wrong about the consequences of a ‘no deal’ Brexit. Whatever you think of Jeremy Hunt, it’s BoJo that’s turning into the weapons grade c**t.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 25, 2019 18:30:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 18:47:51 GMT
It does need reform. Longer term funding and purchasing goals for a start. Clarify what the nhs will and will not be doing and centralise purchase of basic tools/instruments etc. It would be far cheaper than the current local purchase method and cut waste, allowing more of the money to go to patient care.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 26, 2019 15:33:14 GMT
I spent a very relaxing evening last night making my Boris Bus You know, I think he might be onto something..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 17:17:07 GMT
Ready made version.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 26, 2019 22:02:28 GMT
I spent a very relaxing evening last night making my Boris Bus You know, I think he might be onto something.. It needs to have some misleading bollocks written down the side to be a true Boris bus.
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