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M5
Jan 8, 2019 16:05:30 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2019 16:05:30 GMT
I have a friend who has a Macan Turbo and I have to say that it is very nice. Doesn't sound much like a Porsche but in all other respects it's smart, comfy, attractive inside and out, and goes like the proverbial knifed rodent. They also seem to be surprisingly reasonably priced and possessed of decent residuals.
Not very big inside though.
Bit flashy though?
I know someone who bought his wife a Macan Turbo for her birthday last year. They are tight on the inside.
It's very flashy - (a) it's a Porsche, (b) it's an SUV and (c) it's got black paint, black leather, 21" alloys and an entirely dubious "MACAN" numberplate.
I rather meant that the actual underlying car is very nice (painted a different colour with a different interior colour, different wheels and with my own entirely dubious numberplate)...
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M5
Jan 8, 2019 16:11:40 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Jan 8, 2019 16:11:40 GMT
Less than 60k is the starting point for the new RS4. Ok it ain't the last work in adjustability but then neither's a Macan
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M5
Jan 8, 2019 17:01:18 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2019 17:01:18 GMT
Are Audi actually selling RS models in the UK at the moment? You try finding one on their UK website.
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M5
Jan 8, 2019 17:26:49 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 8, 2019 17:26:49 GMT
Are Audi actually selling RS models in the UK at the moment? You try finding one on their UK website. WLTP strikes again. I’m sure they will be back when they’ve passed. |
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Jan 8, 2019 17:31:57 GMT
Post by michael on Jan 8, 2019 17:31:57 GMT
I read on Autocar that the Fiat version of the MX-5 has also fallen victim but I don't think that'll affect anyone here.
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Jan 8, 2019 19:04:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 19:04:30 GMT
The Audi website and configurator are a joke right now. I've emailed them and a couple of dealers and not had any replies yet. They don't seem to have anything for sale apart from what they have in stock!
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M5
Jan 8, 2019 20:10:40 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jan 8, 2019 20:10:40 GMT
The Audi website and configurator are a joke right now. I've emailed them and a couple of dealers and not had any replies yet. They don't seem to have anything for sale apart from what they have in stock! Indeed.... if you want a TT quattro, you can only have it with the most powerful petrol engine, a 45 whatever that is supposed to mean |
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 2:36:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 2:36:12 GMT
...but not with silver paint, the configurator won't let you select it.
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 7:46:07 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 9, 2019 7:46:07 GMT
An RS4 would have been very high up on my list but you can't get one and they expect a 9mth delivery wait. One of the RS4's biggest issues though is pricing. By the time you add the extras that come as standard on a BMW and the other extras I would want, a new RS4 is nearly £75K. From what I have read, the adaptive suspension is great and makes Comfort mode very acceptable on UK roads - but it's £2K. Folding mirrors, memory seats, upgraded sound, tyre pressure monitor etc, etc are all extras but standard on most of the competition.
By the time they get them back into production it will be time for the next model to be introduced.
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 10:01:45 GMT
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Post by franki68 on Jan 9, 2019 10:01:45 GMT
I know there is some supply issue with rs4s but assuming it returns to normal you can get huge discounts on brand new ones usually .when the previous generation came out some people near me did a group buy,they bought 3 and got 17k off each through stoke Audi .This was at launch .
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 12:22:48 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Jan 9, 2019 12:22:48 GMT
Plenty of used ones around for sub 60k
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 13:01:14 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 9, 2019 13:01:14 GMT
Plenty of used ones around for sub 60k But none with the right colour or the kind of spec I would want. There are also lots of ex press test fleet cars. In particular KU18 LPA, KW67 MWA and KW67 MWV plus at least 2 of the red cars for sale (and I wouldn't have red) |
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 13:41:00 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jan 9, 2019 13:41:00 GMT
I know there is some supply issue with rs4s but assuming it returns to normal you can get huge discounts on brand new ones usually .when the previous generation came out some people near me did a group buy,they bought 3 and got 17k off each through stoke Audi .This was at launch . Alright for some ! I can't even afford one, at the discounted price ..... |
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 13:44:03 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 9, 2019 13:44:03 GMT
Plenty of used ones around for sub 60k But none with the right colour or the kind of spec I would want. There are also lots of ex press test fleet cars. In particular KU18 LPA, KW67 MWA and KW67 MWV plus at least 2 of the red cars for sale (and I wouldn't have red) They are more like £65k in the right spec (black pack, suspension upgrade, sports exhaust), which is too close to an M5. |
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M5
Jan 9, 2019 16:28:49 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 9, 2019 16:28:49 GMT
They are more like £65k in the right spec (black pack, suspension upgrade, sports exhaust), which is too close to an M5. Agreed and hence the dilemna |
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M5
Jan 10, 2019 22:04:55 GMT
Post by Stuntman on Jan 10, 2019 22:04:55 GMT
If you can afford it, do it. You've tyre kicked a lot of stuff, time to take that leap. You sound like you work hard, what's it all for if you don't enjoy it. I'm with Ed on this. Sometimes you just need to go with your 8-year-old self and to hell with the economics. |
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 9:38:28 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Jan 11, 2019 9:38:28 GMT
If we let economics rule our lives we'd all be running around in diesel Golfs.
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 10:20:45 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2019 10:20:45 GMT
I have asked two of my car dealer clients for their thoughts - one is telling me I will take a bath and shouldn't do it. The other is telling me that over 9 months that car has only lost £200 in the book (apparently c£72K 9 months ago, increased in value during the summer and then fell away again from November) and has thrown the "life's too short" comment back at me and it's only £250 more a month than I was paying, so get it done. I do wonder if his comments are to some extent governed by the fact that he knows how well I keep my cars and he has bought the last 3 off me at about £1,000 over book and has still made £2,000 - £3,000 profit. Anyone want to pay me £20,000 for a perfect 435D with new tyres, extended warranty, balance of service pack and almost every conceivable extra?
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 10:49:54 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 11, 2019 10:49:54 GMT
Ooooh tempting  I understand what dealer no 2 is saying but the improvement in value is only temporary and if you look at M£/4/5 prices at, say, 4 years old they all show the same pattern. I don't see any reason to suspect that the new M5 will change that so as long as you're prepared for it to be worth around £30-35k in 3 years time. In more general terms there was a clear uplift in the market for bigger engined cars a couple of years ago as enthusiasts realised the small turbo era was gathering pace but among the models I'm keeping tabs on that has stopped and in some cases has actually reversed. In particular the Alfa GT 3.2 has dropped in value based on Autotrader prices, despite there being a few articles recently about how great they are and the fact that 147/156 GTAs are comfortably double the price despite having the same underpinnings. |
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 11:28:03 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 11, 2019 11:28:03 GMT
I have asked two of my car dealer clients for their thoughts - one is telling me I will take a bath and shouldn't do it. The other is telling me that over 9 months that car has only lost £200 in the book (apparently c£72K 9 months ago, increased in value during the summer and then fell away again from November) and has thrown the "life's too short" comment back at me and it's only £250 more a month than I was paying, so get it done. I do wonder if his comments are to some extent governed by the fact that he knows how well I keep my cars and he has bought the last 3 off me at about £1,000 over book and has still made £2,000 - £3,000 profit. Anyone want to pay me £20,000 for a perfect 435D with new tyres, extended warranty, balance of service pack and almost every conceivable extra? As has been said, if we based all our buying decisions on our head we'd all be running round in economy diesels. For over 100 years cars have been a "heart" purchase and, anyway, if you can afford it, go for it. What else is there to spend your money on, apart from alcohol and dirty women? |
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 12:18:56 GMT
Post by PG on Jan 11, 2019 12:18:56 GMT
I sense you are slowly persuading yourself this is a good idea. I suspect you are now at the stage where you could walk away, but know that really, 2 weeks later, you'd be regretting your decision as an M5 cruised by you on the road.
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 12:42:13 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2019 12:42:13 GMT
I sense you are slowly persuading yourself this is a good idea. I suspect you are now at the stage where you could walk away, but know that really, 2 weeks later, you'd be regretting your decision as an M5 cruised by you on the road. Are you reading my mind? |
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 12:47:43 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 11, 2019 12:47:43 GMT
I sense you are slowly persuading yourself this is a good idea. I suspect you are now at the stage where you could walk away, but know that really, 2 weeks later, you'd be regretting your decision as an M5 cruised by you on the road. Are you reading my mind? No, we're just controlling you remotely:  |
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 12:51:51 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2019 12:51:51 GMT
I sense you are slowly persuading yourself this is a good idea. I suspect you are now at the stage where you could walk away, but know that really, 2 weeks later, you'd be regretting your decision as an M5 cruised by you on the road. Exactly right! I don’t have any regrets at all in getting a new(ish) V8 while I still can. Sounds like you don’t even need man maths to make it work, so even easier! |
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 13:18:02 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 11, 2019 13:18:02 GMT
There's no hurry - the car is only recently on the market and still in production (I assume subject to WLTP rules) so you have time to wait for the prices to come down and the right spec car to appear.
EDIT My name is Tim and I've recently become capable of making grown up decisions  |
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 13:38:01 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2019 13:38:01 GMT
There's no hurry - the car is only recently on the market and still in production (I assume subject to WLTP rules) so you have time to wait for the prices to come down and the right spec car to appear.
EDIT My name is Tim and I've recently become capable of making grown up decisions But I have found one, pre regd with no miles and the vast majority of the equipment I would want!! |
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Jan 11, 2019 13:54:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 13:54:59 GMT
Ker-ching!
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Jan 11, 2019 13:56:39 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 11, 2019 13:56:39 GMT
There's no hurry - the car is only recently on the market and still in production (I assume subject to WLTP rules) so you have time to wait for the prices to come down and the right spec car to appear.
EDIT My name is Tim and I've recently become capable of making grown up decisions But I have found one, pre regd with no miles and the vast majority of the equipment I would want!!
Stop talking to us then and go and get it!!
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 14:36:18 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Jan 11, 2019 14:36:18 GMT
So WTF are you doing on here. Get it bought. I want pictures by the end of the day.
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M5
Jan 11, 2019 14:40:32 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2019 14:40:32 GMT
There's no hurry - the car is only recently on the market and still in production (I assume subject to WLTP rules) so you have time to wait for the prices to come down and the right spec car to appear.
EDIT My name is Tim and I've recently become capable of making grown up decisions But I have found one, pre regd with no miles and the vast majority of the equipment I would want!! Get in with it! Then share all the details. Please. Might be less than £40k depreciation over 3 years if it’s just pre regd, so you’d be saving money vs what you already got in your head (and doing better than me) |
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