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Post by franki68 on Jan 4, 2019 9:46:51 GMT
Bmw collected the 335 for the recall and provided me with a merc c200 to use.
It’s pretty well specced and a comfy thing.Steering is decent for this type of car,it doesn’t have that vague feeling just off centre that many modern cars seem to have.Ride is very good ,on a bad trip up to Manchester which took 5 hours I felt I could do another 5 hours no problem .
Don’t like the interior much ,the command system is not intuitive ,And it’s eyes off the road to do simple tasks.
Overall it’s probably a better car to trundle up and down motorways than the bmw but not as much fun.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 4, 2019 10:20:29 GMT
That sounds just as I would expect it to be. What trim level was it?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 4, 2019 10:40:06 GMT
Bit strange a manufacturer supplying a rival's car during a recall.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 4, 2019 11:00:50 GMT
What size wheels/tyres is it on?
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Post by franki68 on Jan 4, 2019 11:23:13 GMT
Don’t know the spec ,the girl who dropped it off told me it was a diesel but the 6k red line and nature of engine said otherwise.Badge says c200 ,but it’s very well loaded .
Car is from enterprise as bmw had no courtesy cars .
Not sure of wheel size .
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Post by franki68 on Jan 4, 2019 12:13:39 GMT
17inch wheels
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Post by Martin on Jan 4, 2019 12:53:47 GMT
I think the C Class has adaptive dampers as standard, but not 100% sure.
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Post by Blarno on Jan 4, 2019 13:23:56 GMT
Knowing the naming structure of German cars, it probably has a 1.4 3 pot turbo.
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Post by Martin on Jan 4, 2019 13:31:31 GMT
Knowing the naming structure of German cars, it probably has a 1.4 3 pot turbo. It used to have exactly what you’d expect, a 2.0 litre 4 pot, but the recent facelift means it’s now a 1.5 litre 4 pot. Same power but with a bit of ‘EQ Boost’. |
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Post by Blarno on Jan 4, 2019 13:38:15 GMT
I can't help but think that a 1.5 in a car of that size and weight, even with a turbo, is going to struggle. Sure, you might be able to rev the conkers off it and get boost, but I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near as efficient as the claims. Which can be said for any modern tiny turbo engine - they're only built to fudge the emissions tests.
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Post by Martin on Jan 4, 2019 14:03:40 GMT
I can't help but think that a 1.5 in a car of that size and weight, even with a turbo, is going to struggle. Sure, you might be able to rev the conkers off it and get boost, but I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near as efficient as the claims. Which can be said for any modern tiny turbo engine - they're only built to fudge the emissions tests. Out of interest..... the old 2.0 had 300nm between 1,200-4,000 rpm and the new 1.5 has 280nm at 3,000-4,000. So you could well be right. Half of my team are running a 530e now and are averaging between 31-36mpg, depending on whether or not they charge it up overnight. Only 1 does that on anything like a regular basis. The 750 has averaged 31.5 over the last 17k miles and the Golf 33.4 over 5k miles. They are actual rather than OBV figures, so a fairer comparison would be 33.8 (for both coincidentally). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 14:07:13 GMT
Perhaps engines are not meant to last as long but what will these by like when they are 45 years old, if they get to last as long? How many of these will make classic let alone vintage status?
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Post by franki68 on Jan 4, 2019 14:07:52 GMT
The fuel tank is tiny ,£50 to fill up and it managed just over 300 miles on a full tank at an average of 33ish mpg ,that was really disappointing and that was based on me thinking it was a 2.0.
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Post by Martin on Jan 4, 2019 14:17:05 GMT
The fuel tank is tiny ,£50 to fill up and it managed just over 300 miles on a full tank at an average of 33ish mpg ,that was really disappointing and that was based on me thinking it was a 2.0. That is poor, the Golf has a 380-420 mile range (55 litre tank) and the 750 does 460-550 miles (80 litre tank). A 300 mile range would drive me mad. You do have the old model with the 2.0 litre engine then, that has a 50l tank and the facelift cars have 66l. (I’ve got both price lists open....I would have no idea otherwise!) |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 4, 2019 14:39:03 GMT
My mother has a pre-facelift C200 AMG Line and that has the usual selectable ride / engine response / steering modes which many cars seem to have now. She keeps hers in Comfort most of the time, but it makes a big difference to the responsiveness if you select Sport.
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Post by michael on Jan 4, 2019 19:37:26 GMT
Will the C class need to wait for an all new model to get the full interior glass cockpit the A class has? I had no idea that they came with such tiny engines now, I’m not surprised the real world economy is lousy.
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Post by PG on Jan 4, 2019 19:41:32 GMT
I can't help but think that a 1.5 in a car of that size and weight, even with a turbo, is going to struggle. Sure, you might be able to rev the conkers off it and get boost, but I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near as efficient as the claims. Which can be said for any modern tiny turbo engine - they're only built to fudge the emissions tests. Out of interest..... the old 2.0 had 300nm between 1,200-4,000 rpm and the new 1.5 has 280nm at 3,000-4,000. So you could well be right. Half of my team are running a 530e now and are averaging between 31-36mpg, depending on whether or not they charge it up overnight. Only 1 does that on anything like a regular basis. The 750 has averaged 31.5 over the last 17k miles and the Golf 33.4 over 5k miles. They are actual rather than OBV figures, so a fairer comparison would be 33.8 (for both coincidentally). Is that economy in both cases based mostly on motorway / A road driving? As that's where hybrids really suffer v ICE. But really, the world has gone mad hasn't it, when an "eco" BMW is less economical than a V8 from the same manufacturer in any situation. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 4, 2019 20:00:27 GMT
It is mad!
Yes, mainly motorway and A roads, but that’s where the majority of company cars are used most of the time. The tax benefits are huge, they’re all saving £300+ a month. My boss looked at getting a Golf GTI and despite getting a couple of hundred back from the company for downgrading and the list price being lower, it was cheaper to get a 530e and add enough options to bump the list price up to £55k
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 4, 2019 21:12:56 GMT
Will the C class need to wait for an all new model to get the full interior glass cockpit the A class has? I had no idea that they came with such tiny engines now, I’m not surprised the real world economy is lousy. The new C-Class is on the way, spy shots have recently started appearing in the motoring press |
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Post by franki68 on Jan 5, 2019 10:00:05 GMT
My mother has a pre-facelift C200 AMG Line and that has the usual selectable ride / engine response / steering modes which many cars seem to have now. She keeps hers in Comfort most of the time, but it makes a big difference to the responsiveness if you select Sport. I’m using it in comfort exclusively ,the gt3 gives me all the sportiness I need  |
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Post by bryan on Jan 5, 2019 17:28:37 GMT
Mine stays in comfort most of the time, I reckon I get 38-40mpg without charging. Our 1.2 dsg yeti does more out of its element on the motorway and I've had over 34mpg out of the 911 and that's a 30yrs old 3.2 flat 6!!
But the Merc is good on the car tax!!
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 5, 2019 19:07:55 GMT
It is mad! Yes, mainly motorway and A roads, but that’s where the majority of company cars are used most of the time. The tax benefits are huge, they’re all saving £300+ a month. My boss looked at getting a Golf GTI and despite getting a couple of hundred back from the company for downgrading and the list price being lower, it was cheaper to get a 530e and add enough options to bump the list price up to £55k I'm still impressed just how efficient that big BMW can be! |
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2019 14:51:12 GMT
Modern BMW engines generally seem efficient. My long-term average in the 440i over two years and 14.5k miles is pretty much exactly 30mpg, and that's for a car that lives in central London and sees plenty of urban use.
For example, my last tank of fuel got me from London to Le Touquet and back (340 mile round trip) over NY and then from London to Bicester and back last Saturday (130 mile round trip). That's 470 miles from 55 litres, meaning an average of 39mpg.
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Post by Tim on Jan 8, 2019 16:22:22 GMT
You'renot trying hard enough!
What's it like for traction in the wet or greasy conditions?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2019 16:55:02 GMT
You'renot trying hard enough! What's it like for traction in the wet or greasy conditions? With an 8spd box, you can go licence-threateningly fast on the motorway and still be doing not much over 2,000rpm.
Traction at the back in greasy/wet conditions on the Sottozeros is comically bad. No way you can give it anything remotely resembling full beans.
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Post by Tim on Jan 8, 2019 16:57:31 GMT
You'renot trying hard enough! What's it like for traction in the wet or greasy conditions? With an 8spd box, you can go licence-threateningly fast on the motorway and still be doing not much over 2,000rpm.
Traction at the back in greasy/wet conditions on the Sottozeros is comically bad. No way you can give it anything remotely resembling full beans.
Cheers. Is it the same on summer tyres? I have a 340i/440i on my list of potential 320 replacements but am a little concerned it'll be a traction control harming nightmare on anything but a smooth dry road, of which there are depressingly few round these parts.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2019 17:07:41 GMT
No, the summer tyres (19" Continentals I think) have a very tenacious grip on the road and I cannot recall troubling the TC unless I was actively trying to.
I think it's mainly tyre-dependent.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 8, 2019 17:12:17 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jan 8, 2019 17:29:49 GMT
I’ve not looked recently, but about 8 months ago there were several well specced (Inc Merino leather) pre registered 440i GC for around £35k.
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Post by Tim on Jan 9, 2019 10:14:48 GMT
Depending on spec 340is are available pre-reg for just over £30k, get a 6 month old one with a few thousand miles and you're into the 20s.
I even spotted a couple of manual ones that appear slightly cheaper.
I reckon the time to get one will be after the new 3 has been out for a few month.
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