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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 26, 2018 11:52:36 GMT
I'm a bit old school and tend to forget when driving the Captur that it has hill hold so I use the manual handbrake. I must get out of the habit.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 26, 2018 13:32:34 GMT
My Kuga has auto-hold but it's not much use in traffic if you're facing downhill ! A proper lever is so much better, you can also use it to bring the car to a smooth halt when it's just rolling whereas the electric brake jolts the car to rest.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Nov 26, 2018 13:39:07 GMT
If Ford are producing cars like the Kuga with an electronic handbrake and no auto hold then that would rule it out for me. They need to go hand in hand. My Focus has the fully auto mode and it transforms the whole experience. The Kuga does have hill hold but it only stays on for a few seconds. |
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Post by Martin on Nov 26, 2018 13:46:02 GMT
My Kuga has auto-hold but it's not much use in traffic if you're facing downhill ! A proper lever is so much better, you can also use it to bring the car to a smooth halt when it's just rolling whereas the electric brake jolts the car to rest. I find my brake pedal does a really good job of bringing the car to a smooth halt.....! The cars I’ve had with Auto Hold work downhill as well as uphill. It’s different to the systems that just hold the brakes on for a couple of seconds to assist with hill starts. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 26, 2018 14:22:41 GMT
I think the Captur holds when facing downhill, unless that only operates if the carbis in reverse. Facing downhill isn't usually an issue though, as you start to roll forward and feed in the clutch anyway? Its setting off uphill that you need it.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 26, 2018 14:23:25 GMT
And you shouldn't be bringing the car to a stop with the parking brake, either, only engaging it when stopped.
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Post by PG on Nov 26, 2018 14:42:50 GMT
All this talk of hill holds and auto or not brakes and manual gearboxes seems so last century. Just get an automatic gearbox. Simples.... You'll all be complaining next that you can't find a replacement for your twin tub washing machine...  |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 26, 2018 14:43:38 GMT
I hope my mangle doesn't break.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 26, 2018 15:16:24 GMT
I hope my mangle doesn't break. You leave your mangle out of this - it's a car forum! I'm really not seeing your problem, Chris - as long as you stop the car with the foot brake as intended . And handbrake is not really the right name - parking brake is the correct term and the clue is in the name. Anyway the parking brake only operates on the rear brakes and stopping using only them is not a good idea - you could lock up the rear brakes and just slide into the car in front, especially on greasy or slippery downhill surfaces. |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 26, 2018 21:51:28 GMT
And you shouldn't be bringing the car to a stop with the parking brake, either, only engaging it when stopped. Trickling along in traffic, reaching speeds of just 1 or 2 mph, it's a lot easier to just use clutch and handbrake rather than having to prod the brake pedal. Also it saves dazzling people behind by not illuminating the brake lights |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 26, 2018 22:26:49 GMT
And you shouldn't be bringing the car to a stop with the parking brake, either, only engaging it when stopped. Trickling along in traffic, reaching speeds of just 1 or 2 mph, it's a lot easier to just use clutch and handbrake rather than having to prod the brake pedal. Also it saves dazzling people behind by not illuminating the brake lights And that doesn't let people behind see any brake lights, either. I don't see how that is easier and it really is less safe. A parking brake is not designed to operate that way. Do you actually do that?! |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 27, 2018 8:25:34 GMT
Trickling along in traffic, reaching speeds of just 1 or 2 mph, it's a lot easier to just use clutch and handbrake rather than having to prod the brake pedal. Also it saves dazzling people behind by not illuminating the brake lights And that doesn't let people behind see any brake lights, either. I don't see how that is easier and it really is less safe. A parking brake is not designed to operate that way. Do you actually do that?! I think Chris is pulling our legs - the bit about not illuminating brake lights so the car behind doesn't know you're stopping was the giveaway. Unless he's the criminal mastermind behind one of these accident whiplash scams though...  |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 27, 2018 9:01:00 GMT
I've ordered a full set of Crossclimates for the VRS. 369 quid delivered. The tyre fitter I use will fit them for a bit of beer money. Whilst I could use them all year round, and they would possibly be OK on the Octavia, I am going to use them pyrely as a winter set. They should be ideal for our winters as the grip won't go off above 8 degrees or so like full winters. I'd prefer the sharper feel that I reckon the summers will give. I've not got spare pennies for a used set of wheels really, for now, so I will just have them swapped onto the one set of rims.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Nov 27, 2018 12:35:36 GMT
And that doesn't let people behind see any brake lights, either. I don't see how that is easier and it really is less safe. A parking brake is not designed to operate that way. Do you actually do that?! I think Chris is pulling our legs - the bit about not illuminating brake lights so the car behind doesn't know you're stopping was the giveaway. Unless he's the criminal mastermind behind one of these accident whiplash scams though... If I didn’t know that Chris was real I would hazard a guess that he was an AI bot sent in to gently troll. |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 27, 2018 15:36:18 GMT
I'm talking about the really slow traffic queues that nose forward at under-walking-speed..... the handbrake is an easier way to control the car slowing, than the footbrake.
Not sure I'm the only one who lives in an area where there are a lot of such traffic jams/queues.........
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 27, 2018 15:53:28 GMT
I'm talking about the really slow traffic queues that nose forward at under-walking-speed..... the handbrake is an easier way to control the car slowing, than the footbrake. Not sure I'm the only one who lives in an area where there are a lot of such traffic jams/queues......... I've never once considered routinely using the handbrake in slow traffic. Maybe it's time for an auto, Chris. Absolutely much easier in traffic and I will miss that aspect when I go back to a manual. |
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Post by Martin on Nov 27, 2018 15:56:20 GMT
I'm talking about the really slow traffic queues that nose forward at under-walking-speed..... the handbrake is an easier way to control the car slowing, than the footbrake. Not sure I'm the only one who lives in an area where there are a lot of such traffic jams/queues......... I've never once considered routinely using the handbrake in slow traffic. Maybe it's time for an auto, Chris. Absolutely much easier in traffic and I will miss that aspect when I go back to a manual. Or get an auto with voodoo cruise that works down to a standstill. Don’t have to spend too much, it’s been standard on a mid range Golf for a few years. |
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Post by Andy C on Nov 27, 2018 17:48:14 GMT
I'm talking about the really slow traffic queues that nose forward at under-walking-speed..... the handbrake is an easier way to control the car slowing, than the footbrake. No it isn’t Not sure I'm the only one who lives in an area where there are a lot of such traffic jams/queues......... I live in a similar area and have never used the handbrake like that |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 27, 2018 19:16:46 GMT
I've never once considered routinely using the handbrake in slow traffic. Maybe it's time for an auto, Chris. Absolutely much easier in traffic and I will miss that aspect when I go back to a manual. Or get an auto with voodoo cruise that works down to a standstill. Don’t have to spend too much, it’s been standard on a mid range Golf for a few years. I'm going to miss that feature of the V60 as well! Queuing traffic used to be so easy...!! |
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Post by Martin on Nov 27, 2018 19:24:47 GMT
Or get an auto with voodoo cruise that works down to a standstill. Don’t have to spend too much, it’s been standard on a mid range Golf for a few years. I'm going to miss that feature of the V60 as well! Queuing traffic used to be so easy...!! Having tried it in a couple of cars and now have the option to use it regularly, I still don’t really like it and prefer standard cruise. But it is great in stop/start traffic. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 29, 2018 9:02:11 GMT
I'm going to miss that feature of the V60 as well! Queuing traffic used to be so easy...!! Having tried it in a couple of cars and now have the option to use it regularly, I still don’t really like it and prefer standard cruise. But it is great in stop/start traffic. That surprises me, Martin, I thought you'd love it. In the V60 it worked brilliantly. I really will miss it, especially traffic queue assist. The cruise in the Captur is a basic system so I had to remember when driving it that it wouldn't slow itself, so going back to a basic system in the VRS won't be completely alien. Collection this morning! |
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Post by Martin on Nov 29, 2018 9:32:55 GMT
Having tried it in a couple of cars and now have the option to use it regularly, I still don’t really like it and prefer standard cruise. But it is great in stop/start traffic. That surprises me, Martin, I thought you'd love it. In the V60 it worked brilliantly. I really will miss it, especially traffic queue assist. The cruise in the Captur is a basic system so I had to remember when driving it that it wouldn't slow itself, so going back to a basic system in the VRS won't be completely alien. Collection this morning! Traffic queue is good, but people are generally too erratic to be followed so exactly. It’s better now I’ve set it to the closest setting (still enough of a gap for people to jump in on the motorway) as it sees and anticipates cars earlier, but I prefer the manual system in the 750 operated by my left thumb. Enjoy collection day! |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 29, 2018 14:00:33 GMT
Maybe it's time for an auto, Chris. Absolutely much easier in traffic and I will miss that aspect when I go back to a manual. In traffic in an auto, I just use the handbrake lever, that's why electric brakes are such a pain! ;-) It's so easy in mum's V70 as you can just slip the shift lever between D and N, (either direction) no need to press a button or put your foot on the brake pedal whereas R is protected by a detent |
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Post by Martin on Nov 29, 2018 14:09:09 GMT
In traffic in an auto, I just use the handbrake lever, that's why electric brakes are such a pain! ;-) It's so easy in mum's V70 as you can just slip the shift lever between D and N, (either direction) no need to press a button or put your foot on the brake pedal whereas R is protected by a detent You can move between D and N in the BMW without pressing the button, but the only use I’ve found for that is when someone at work asked me what it sounded like..... I just come to a stop, take my foot off the brake pedal and let the auto hold do it’s stuff. Works on a slope and the flat and less of a pain than moving a lever up and down. I’m sure some people were equally put out when you couldn’t hand start the car or use a manual choke. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 29, 2018 16:24:45 GMT
I’m sure some people were equally put out when you couldn’t hand start the car or use a manual choke. I miss a manual choke; you could just pull it out and push it back in to work as a type of cruise control in slow-moving traffic. Between that and the handbrake it meant I could relax and put my feet up on the dash. |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 29, 2018 17:54:29 GMT
I miss a manual choke; you could just pull it out and push it back in to work as a type of cruise control in slow-moving traffic. Between that and the handbrake it meant I could relax and put my feet up on the dash. Cue some Billy Monger jokes....... |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 30, 2018 16:31:13 GMT
Collected yesterday. Nice smooth process. The journey each way was a pain with ditherers aplenty. It's the time of year for them, although on the way back this gave an opportunity to try some traffic hopping as the novelty of 45mph on long straight NSL roads had worn way too thin...
The car drives really nicely. Although it clearly doesn't have the outright pace of the T6 V60, it's plenty punchy enough for fast A roads and pulling off overtakes when you want to. I reckon in day to day driving the diesel's torque, combined with its substantially lower weight, will narrow that performance gap a fair way. And the weight difference is very noticeable on braking and cornering, too. There's a bit of software updating to do on the Amundsen infotainment system - DAB station logos and map updates - which are free from Skoda's update web portal.
I will do a write up on the V60 soon.
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Post by Martin on Nov 30, 2018 16:53:46 GMT
Collected yesterday. Nice smooth process. The journey each way was a pain with ditherers aplenty. It's the time of year for them, although on the way back this gave an opportunity to try some traffic hopping as the novelty of 45mph on long straight NSL roads had worn way too thin... The car drives really nicely. Although it clearly doesn't have the outright pace of the T6 V60, it's plenty punchy enough for fast A roads and pulling off overtakes when you want to. I reckon in day to day driving the diesel's torque, combined with its substantially lower weight, will narrow that performance gap a fair way. And the weight difference is very noticeable on braking and cornering, too. There's a bit of software updating to do on the Amundsen infotainment system - DAB station logos and map updates - which are free from Skoda's update web portal. I will do a write up on the V60 soon. Sounds good! |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Dec 14, 2018 9:05:37 GMT
So, two week update. In short, I'm really enjoying it. It's frugal, pleasantly pokey and handles rather nicely. It's now on 4 new Michelin Crossclimate+ tyres and although they initially felt a little vague at just off steering centre, they seem to have settled a bit and/or I have got used to them. I've also discovered, having failed to RTFM that the Lane Assist actively steers very slightly. The V60 used to sound a warning but had no steering intervention but the VRS gently nudges the steering if you get near a lane marking. I reckon that probably accounted for at least some of what I thought was odd feedback from the tyres - needless to say it is now turned off!
I've also found that at the recommended tyre pressures the ride on our increasingly pock marked and corrugated road surfaces can be a bit on the firm side, but dropping the pressures just slightly makes a noticeable improvement in ride quality.
I'm mulling over the idea of a remap but for now there's no spare funds anyway, so that will wait. Plus there are warranty considerations in that respect as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 11:59:42 GMT
...I've also discovered, having failed to RTFM that the Lane Assist actively steers very slightly. The V60 used to sound a warning but had no steering intervention but the VRS gently nudges the steering if you get near a lane marking... I have experienced that "feature" in the last 2 Focus hire cars I've driven.
It was quite violent in the most extreme setting, it was almost funny how keen it was to keep the car between the lines, I turned it off once I had stopped messing about with it.
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