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Post by alf on Apr 6, 2017 16:07:49 GMT
Does this hack anyone else off? The latest mag had a group test of McLaren 540, 911T and R8 V10. The conclusion piece had a long criticism of the McLaren's engine, the worst of the new McLaren V8's so far, needing 5k+ revs to be responsive enough to balance the chassis on the throttle. Despite this, the car came top and got a perfect 5 star score.
The other two.... Also got 5 stars!
WTF? How is this in any way fit for purpose? It seems that any supercar from a manufacturer they like just gets 5 stars regardless - and how that is supposed to help the lucky people making a purchasing decision between those models is anyone's guess.
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Post by Tim on Apr 6, 2017 16:11:43 GMT
I put a thread on the old forum about this exact test, I think they criticised the Porsche for being too lifeless until you were going ludicrously fast and the Audi's seats were crap plus possibly something else was against it.
They may rate 5 stars against a Golf TDI but I got the clear impression they were inferior to most of their peers so were perhaps worthy of 3.5 or 4 stars.
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Post by Tim on Apr 6, 2017 16:13:29 GMT
Actually I just had a look and I didn't post it but I certainly wrote pretty much the same thing  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 11:31:12 GMT
Faults don't matter if a car allows you to display your driving deity status - it's the evo way...
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Post by Alex on Apr 7, 2017 17:36:20 GMT
I think it is a problem for them that they have to give 5 stars to anything from McLaren because, in theory, it is being compared against much lesser cars including mainstream stuff like Golf Rs or Mazda MX5s etc. Subjectively they should be looking at how they compare to others in their class and score them accordingly but it seems that they don't want to be seen to give a McLaren a lower score than a Golf, even if the latter is much better than its peers compared to the 540.
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Post by Sav on Apr 8, 2017 10:16:07 GMT
A good example of this is the BMW 435i and 440i. A few years ago Evo ran a twin-test between a 435i and the supercharged S5. They couldn’t have been more complementary about the 435i, it got 4.5 stars. But the 440i only got 3.5 stars against the new S5 and C43, and the way the 440i was described in that test bared no relation to how the 435i was described a few years ago. Okay, so the 440i has a different engine and more power, but the inconsistency is baffling with essentially the same car.
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Post by Tim on May 16, 2017 10:48:16 GMT
From the twin test of Golfs this month. Apparently in the Mk 7.5 GTI no matter how hard you try the handling is benign and unexciting and it has been 'left behind' by the current crop of alternatives. Still gets 4 1/2 stars though  |
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Post by PetrolEd on May 16, 2017 10:59:23 GMT
That's been true of the Golf Gti since 1993, doesn't make it less of a great daily and judging it on my Mk5 & mk6, it was at least a 4 star car
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 11:15:46 GMT
From the twin test of Golfs this month. Apparently in the Mk 7.5 GTI no matter how hard you try the handling is benign and unexciting and it has been 'left behind' by the current crop of alternatives. Still gets 4 1/2 stars though Typical evo - if it ain't bone-jarring and oversteery in extremis, it's 'boring.' |
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Post by Tim on May 16, 2017 13:32:09 GMT
That's been true of the Golf Gti since 1993, doesn't make it less of a great daily and judging it on my Mk5 & mk6, it was at least a 4 star car Possibly but I have a strong suspicion that if they said the same about an Italian, French, Japanese, Ford or Merc hot hatch it would get 3 1/2 stars at most. Being left behind by your opponents doesn't sound worthy of a high mark.
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Post by johnc on May 16, 2017 14:09:39 GMT
I remember fondly driving to and from work every day across the Erskine Bridge when I could get my Mk2 GTi onto 3 wheels almost every journey. In those days it used to be two lanes on and two lanes off and I even got the thumbs up and applause as I passed a works mini-bus one day on 3 wheels. It's now 50mph and deliberately narrowed to one lane. My XR2 on Yokohama R tyres could (I am sure) have gone round there at an indicated 85!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 14:23:46 GMT
There is a long stretch of dual near me that is all 40 bar one brief section. It feels like you could get out and walk at that speed, and seems to be widely disregarded. I wonder if it's because when it was a fifty, doing 70 meant less than it now does.
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Post by Boxer6 on May 16, 2017 18:49:37 GMT
I remember fondly driving to and from work every day across the Erskine Bridge when I could get my Mk2 GTi onto 3 wheels almost every journey. In those days it used to be two lanes on and two lanes off and I even got the thumbs up and applause as I passed a works mini-bus one day on 3 wheels. It's now 50mph and deliberately narrowed to one lane. My XR2 on Yokohama R tyres could (I am sure) have gone round there at an indicated 85!
I dare say the roads we drive on nowadays and the restrictions imposed will sap some of the excitement out of these cars. The Erskine Bridge was a rite of passage for the "serious" bikers round my way as a callow yoof. I took my mate's (Kawasaki) Z1 over it at 3-figure velocities - scary as! |
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Post by Tim on May 17, 2017 9:53:48 GMT
I've always liked the long loops at the M876/M8 interchange near the Kincardine Bridge.
I remember following a mate round there - I was in an MG Maestro and he was in a £250 beige Alfa Giulietta 1.6 of 1981 vintage, both doing around 70, me hanging on for grim death and him with quite a few degrees of drift on........
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Post by johnc on May 17, 2017 10:31:13 GMT
I've always liked the long loops at the M876/M8 interchange near the Kincardine Bridge. I remember following a mate round there - I was in an MG Maestro and he was in a £250 beige Alfa Giulietta 1.6 of 1981 vintage, both doing around 70, me hanging on for grim death and him with quite a few degrees of drift on........ Those were the days of uninhibited youthful exuberance and no cameras - bliss! |
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