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Post by michael on Jun 4, 2019 11:46:39 GMT
I was thinking about your Saab stewardship last night as I drove past one of my parents neighbours who has finally replaced his Dame Edna style 9-5. Said neighbour, a retired dentist, has only ever owned Saabs in all the time I've known him. He's held on to his 9-5 for years having previously been replacing them every few years or so. I guess it's quite a challenge moving from a brand you're so loyal to but needs must in his case.
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 4, 2019 12:44:25 GMT
^
The question has to be asked.....
With what has he replaced Dame Edna?
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Post by Blarno on Jun 4, 2019 13:14:51 GMT
My next move is likely to be sideways, to something else Swedish.
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Post by michael on Jun 4, 2019 13:16:11 GMT
I thought you wanted my mothers old Jag? Don't get a Volvo, they're really shit. In answer to Chris, an F-Pace.
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Post by Blarno on Jun 4, 2019 13:24:03 GMT
Is it an XF estate? I fear it may be out of my league in terms of price.
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Post by michael on Jun 4, 2019 13:25:03 GMT
It was yes, black one. I did a brief bit about it in the test section last year where I think you mentioned you were a fan.
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 4, 2019 16:54:30 GMT
Don't get a Volvo, they're really shit. That's a matter of opinion, and no doubt personal experience. My parents had 4 over the course of about 36 years and if mum could still drive, she'd have another |
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Post by Alex on Jun 5, 2019 13:13:30 GMT
Don't get a Volvo, they're really shit. That's a matter of opinion, and no doubt personal experience. My parents had 4 over the course of about 36 years and if mum could still drive, she'd have another My understanding from all reports is that the new models are much better and they seem to be very popular, especially the XC40 which keeps winning group tests and is certainly one of the better looking models in its class. Totally understand your opinion Michael, a bad experience will taint your opinion of the brand but I think they’re a far superior product now. |
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Post by Blarno on Jun 5, 2019 15:09:13 GMT
I've found several V50 D5s in and around my price range. I could be tempted into a V70, but the extra road tax and lower economy put me off. They're pretty much guaranteed to have a towbar though.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 5, 2019 15:19:40 GMT
I'm not sure Volvos have ever been shit and are still shit. The old 240s went on forever, they were always well protected from rust and sturdily built. Subsequent models seemed to continue that trend, 740s, S40s, V70s, S60s etc. My brother had an XC90 that went on forever as a solid family workhorse. I hated Volvos when I was young because the annoying kid next door's dad was a Volvo salesman and the two of them never stopped going on about how good they were compared to your average Ford or Vauxhall. Looking back they were probably right.
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Post by Blarno on Jul 12, 2019 13:13:09 GMT
Current favourite to replace the Glacier Mint is either:
E39 530d or an early E60 525/530d.
Volvo V70 D5 pre 2005.
Mercedes E270 CDi.
All of the above have no DPF to go wrong. I have found a couple of C&E320s, but they would need checking to see if a factory option DPF was fitted.
All auto, all estates.
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Post by Tim on Jul 12, 2019 13:49:38 GMT
My brother in law has just bought a 2003 E39 530d estate in automatic form.
It has 190k on the clock and cost him £1250 (I think) and apart from a minor oil leak, some mismatched tyres and a clearly worn bush in the rear suspension it is in incredible condition.
All the toys - inc the satnav - work. Bodily it is excellent too.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 12, 2019 14:15:43 GMT
I think it’ll become increasingly difficult to own a non DPF diesel. Even Newcastle is looking to charge non Euro 6 diesels £12 a day to drive in or near the city due to Government pollution targets.
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Post by Blarno on Jul 12, 2019 14:24:28 GMT
As I don't drive near cities on anything like a regular basis, that doesn't bother me. My job is a good 8 miles out from Liverpool city centre, so hopefully no issues there. Failing that, I'll park up just before the Mersey bridge and cycle the rest of the way, figuratively sticking my fingers up at the bastards on the way past.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 12, 2019 15:48:25 GMT
Current favourite to replace the Glacier Mint is either: E39 530d or an early E60 525/530d. Volvo V70 D5 pre 2005. Mercedes E270 CDi. All of the above have no DPF to go wrong. I have found a couple of C&E320s, but they would need checking to see if a factory option DPF was fitted. All auto, all estates. The pre-2006 W211 E Class is a whole world of trouble and best avoided. Post facelift models are reliable, lush and lusty. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jul 13, 2019 9:39:18 GMT
I've found several V50 D5s in and around my price range. I could be tempted into a V70, but the extra road tax and lower economy put me off. They're pretty much guaranteed to have a towbar though. Some are a bit shit. P2 V70s can be a pain for suspension and electrics. Avoid the autos. So a manual D5 P2 V70 should be massively troublesome. A V50 should be fine (manual, not auto) as there is a huge amount of Focus underneath and it will be far more entertaining than a V70. And a fair bit smaller. P3 platform cars (such as Michael's XC70 and my V60) are reasonably good and I'd possibly have another but it would have to be manual and 2WD to avoid massive bill potential. The 850 was the sweet spot. Absolutely solid. So, 2WD D5 V50 manual. And budget for front tyres. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jul 13, 2019 9:42:44 GMT
Current favourite to replace the Glacier Mint is either: E39 530d or an early E60 525/530d. Volvo V70 D5 pre 2005. Mercedes E270 CDi. All of the above have no DPF to go wrong. I have found a couple of C&E320s, but they would need checking to see if a factory option DPF was fitted. All auto, all estates. 2005 V70s got the facelift - slightly improved interior trim, clear front and rear lights. Some later 54 plate cars onwards. Although I get the point re the DPF. Be wary of the auto. They can be a pain when cold - trying to get out into fast traffic is a challenge until they warm up. |
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Post by Blarno on Jul 13, 2019 10:48:05 GMT
It pretty much has to be an auto, sadly. I'm fed up of clutching in traffic and if my family history of knee issues is anything to go by, I'm going to be ruined by the time I'm 50. DPF avoidance is a must after the monumental ballache I've had with the SAAB - it's a deeply flawed piece of equipment regardless of what car it is fitted to. Another trawl of AT found this: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906209240140Nice beefy 5 pot, renowned auto box, no DPF or air suspension to go tits up. Nice wheels and plenty of moo on the inside. Cushty. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 13, 2019 11:02:25 GMT
It pretty much has to be an auto, sadly. I'm fed up of clutching in traffic and if my family history of knee issues is anything to go by, I'm going to be ruined by the time I'm 50. DPF avoidance is a must after the monumental ballache I've had with the SAAB - it's a deeply flawed piece of equipment regardless of what car it is fitted to. Another trawl of AT found this: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906209240140Nice beefy 5 pot, renowned auto box, no DPF or air suspension to go tits up. Nice wheels and plenty of moo on the inside. Cushty. That is very nice and an awful lot of car for the money. A car like this would shrug off a trip to the south of France, so your commute would be a breeze. |
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Post by michael on Jul 13, 2019 16:06:11 GMT
Isn’t the best bet for avoiding a DPF to get a petrol? You can get a 325i auto estate in your budget with sensible miles and I’d guess minimal difference in running costs.
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Post by Blarno on Jul 13, 2019 16:19:30 GMT
No petrol car will get anywhere near the economy/torque combo of a diesel. To make any petrol car worthwhile, it would have to be averaging 40mpg per tank, which, unless I buy an Aygo and forgo towing anything or going camping ever again, is out of the question.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 13, 2019 16:44:59 GMT
^
Never consistently got over 40mpg from mum's 2005 model (54 plate) D5 auto, in fact it was generally a struggle to get over 30mpg out of it unless it was on the motorway for most of the journey. The V50 is a lot smaller inside and out
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Post by Martin on Jul 13, 2019 17:13:11 GMT
No petrol car will get anywhere near the economy/torque combo of a diesel. To make any petrol car worthwhile, it would have to be averaging 40mpg per tank, which, unless I buy an Aygo and forgo towing anything or going camping ever again, is out of the question. That’s not true. There aren’t many, but you could get close and if the diesel costs more to buy, it could easily negate the economy advantage. I’m still in a diesel that wouldn’t see where my petrol went an any revs and uses slightly more fuel. The Golf easily average 36mpg and somehow (traffic, not in a rush) got 50mpg on the way to Birmingham in Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I like a big diesel in a saloon/estate, but there are alternatives. |
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Post by Blarno on Jul 13, 2019 18:20:29 GMT
In my price range (£2k), no petrol car is getting close. Believe me, I've looked. I had use of my Stepdad's 93 Aero whilst mine was off the road with DPF troubles. Similar torque and overtaking abilities but never got any better than 35 mpg, and I had to drive Miss Daisy to get that. I can jump in my Saab and hoof it back and to work 5 days a week and still get 45 mpg tank average.
Even when fully loaded, or towing a trailer or with bikes on the roof, I never see less than 42 mpg average. Diesel is only 5p per litre more expensive near me, so a petrol engine will need to be nearly as good on fuel as a diesel to make any sense whatsoever. Any petrol engine in that price range with 250+ lb/ft of torque is not going to achieve 40+ mpg average.
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Post by michael on Jul 14, 2019 10:37:33 GMT
Isn’t another option to get a small petrol car and have Jo drive a larger less efficient car? I’m assuming she does lower miles.
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Post by Andy C on Jul 14, 2019 11:36:46 GMT
I’d go for a Mondeo Diesel estate or 320d
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 14, 2019 13:13:22 GMT
I’d go for a Mondeo Diesel estate or 320d Tempted to say the same but what about factoring in the price of spares (including those required for routine maintenance/servicing) ? |
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Post by Martin on Jul 14, 2019 13:29:42 GMT
How many miles a year is your commute?
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Post by bryan on Jul 14, 2019 17:16:54 GMT
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Post by Blarno on Jul 14, 2019 18:24:09 GMT
How many miles a year is your commute?
Between 18 and 20k.
320d is the new favourite, found a few in my price range in E46 flavour.
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