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Post by Tim on Jul 24, 2017 13:48:45 GMT
We've just had a week in the north of Scotland. The 320 was loaded with 3 people and associated luggage, but the boot took it all, nothing was required in the back seats. The A9 to Inverness is average speed camera'd so you're doing either 60 or 70 unless you get a rare chance to overtake (if its not busy). Beyond Inverness it's normal A roads with only a few bits of single track much further up.
The round trip was completed at 48.3mpg. I reckon that's pretty shite to be honest.
In 2006 we did a vey similar trip in our Stilo - a 1.9 8Valve with 115 BHP and 5 gears. The A9 was faster in those days and the car was clearly using older tech (which to my mind offsets the 4wd of the 320) yet still managed 60mpg.
I would've got better economy out of my 2003 530d in the circumstances.
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Post by michael on Jul 24, 2017 13:52:36 GMT
I get an average of 30mpg, 5 cylinders, 2.4 with AWD taking the kerb weight over two tonnes.
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Post by Martin on Jul 24, 2017 14:50:10 GMT
I'm getting 42mpg from the 535d at the moment, thanks to a different commute and early morning runs to the airport. It used to do around 37-38 before I changed jobs last year. Best tankful has been a true 47.4mpg, worst is 34.4mpg.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 24, 2017 15:40:33 GMT
To be honest, "getting out of your diesels" is the answer...
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Post by Tim on Jul 24, 2017 15:44:25 GMT
The 48.3 above is my car in it's best situation, normal commuting is about 4 less than that.
Since the economy isn't all that fantastic on the way home I was musing about getting a petrol powered 4x4 hatch or estate - possibly as I'd been reading CAR mag the Focus RS was in my mind........
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Post by Martin on Jul 24, 2017 16:03:39 GMT
To be honest, "getting out of your diesels" is the answer... Not for me, especially if it meant having to downgrade to a 3 or 4 Series....... |
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 24, 2017 16:13:33 GMT
Well for a contrast, we did a 300-mile round trip the weekend before last to Dorset and back via the A3 and A31 (due to part of the M3 being closed), and lots of cross-country driving over the weekend, and the GC chewed through about 2/3rds of a tank, which is around 35mpg or thereabouts. Now I'm not really what you'd term light-footed and tend not to resist the temptation to make ample use of the performance given a good A or B road, so doubtless another driver could have improved on that figure, and it would have been better if we'd been travelling at a steady state on the motorway, but there's still a fair difference between 35 and 48. Not so much that I would care in a car used for w/end trips only, but I would probably start to care if I was commuting a fair way in it every day.
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Post by Blarno on Jul 24, 2017 16:20:59 GMT
My commute is a mixture of town, A road and stop-start roadworks traffic, plus my pottering around at weekends. I don't drive particularly economically and regularly use all the torque/smoke/carbons.
I'm getting consistent tank-to-tank measurements of between 45 and 47 Mpg, which is actually slightly better than the OBC seems to think. My best has been 51.3 for a 200 odd mile trip back from Tenby, 4 up, boot crammed full, a full roofbox on top and my wife driving, who often forgets my car has a sixth gear or cruise control.
Similar driving habits in the Postbox netted me about 42 mpg per tank so I'm happy overall with the Saab for what it achieves with an extra 20 BHP.
For now.
Edited to add: 1.9 16v with 150 Bhp.
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Post by michael on Jul 24, 2017 16:24:18 GMT
To be honest, "getting out of your diesels" is the answer... Easy to say, less easy to do, for now at least. When we changed cars, before dieselgate, the options were almost exclusively diesel. Although I wouldn't choose the XC70 now, it was the right choice at the time and you couldn't have got it with a petrol option. It was listed but it wasn't available to buy on the finance offer. There was no Discovery petrol at the time and few large estate cars had anything other than the huge top spec engines in petrol form. Even though I work from home I have still managed to pile 32k on the car in under two years so economy is a consideration but not a deal breaker. For me distance between fuel stops is more of a factor so a large tank is as important. I notice that the VW California is available with a TSI 2ltr engine and with options that comes in at £70k. That's £70k for a 2ltr van that doesn't have the 4motion system. I think it'll be easier to buy a petrol in future, and given the choice I will, but people have been choosing diesel through necessity. |
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Post by Martin on Jul 24, 2017 16:47:49 GMT
There's no right answer as everyone's situation is different. When you do 30k miles a year and pay for the vast majority yourself, economy and range are important. To get similar, effortless performance in a big car, 25mpg would be doing fairly well, which is a fair bit extra each month plus the extra stops would drive me mad.
The Boxster does about 28mpg on average and always gets Shell's finest, but that's not too bad as it only does about 7-8k miles a year.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 24, 2017 16:57:17 GMT
There's no right answer as everyone's situation is different. When you do 30k miles a year and pay for the vast majority yourself, economy and range are important. To get similar, effortless performance in a big car, 25mpg would be doing fairly well, which is a fair bit extra each month plus the extra stops would drive me mad. The Boxster does about 28mpg on average and always gets Shell's finest, but that's not too bad as it only does about 7-8k miles a year. Not sure that's completely correct. The performance in my car is utterly effortless, it's not particularly small and it does 35mpg without the driver paying any attention. I imagine the same engine in the new 5-series will provide a very similar experience.
But, as I noted, there is nevertheless a difference between 35 and 45. No need to over-egg the pudding...
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Post by johnc on Jul 24, 2017 17:03:42 GMT
I've just been to Durham and back today.
The first is the performance on the way down which included a lot of slowing down/accelerating on the A69 when behind a convoy of lorries and the second is the total trip which included a considerably faster return although the average speed doesn't seem to show a great increase. Apologies for second photo but sun was strong and the lighting was difficult.
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Post by Martin on Jul 24, 2017 17:12:50 GMT
Possibly and there are a couple of petrol options on the replacement list, there weren't any last time.
I think it was Evo that preferred the new 530d to the 540i, both performance and (slightly surprisingly but I do like how mine sounds) the noise it made, so I'm not sure it works quite as well in the next size up carrying a couple of hundred extra kilos. I've not tried one though, so don't know, but I suspect I'd miss the extra torque.
edit: Johns post shows the difference going up/down a size can make.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 25, 2017 6:58:46 GMT
I'm getting around an indicated 42 to 43mpg out of the Kuga on the commute (20 miles each way, largely motorway/dual carriageway) but got around 45 out of it a couple of weeks ago on a business trip to Somerset and Dorset. Not yet used it much around town but slower, stop-start driving definitely brings the average down.
I was budgeting on around 40mpg when I decided to get it so I'm pleased with the above... 180bhp 2 litre diesel manual, on demand AWD and not very streamlined. I struggle to get much over 51mpg out of the Fiesta Ecoboost no matter how carefully I drive it (in fact driving style doesn't seem to make that much difference to its fuel consumption) which seems disproportionately bad compared to the Kuga
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Post by johnc on Jul 25, 2017 7:11:10 GMT
We've just had a week in the north of Scotland. The 320 was loaded with 3 people and associated luggage, but the boot took it all, nothing was required in the back seats. The A9 to Inverness is average speed camera'd so you're doing either 60 or 70 unless you get a rare chance to overtake (if its not busy). Beyond Inverness it's normal A roads with only a few bits of single track much further up.
The round trip was completed at 48.3mpg. I reckon that's pretty shite to be honest.
In 2006 we did a vey similar trip in our Stilo - a 1.9 8Valve with 115 BHP and 5 gears. The A9 was faster in those days and the car was clearly using older tech (which to my mind offsets the 4wd of the 320) yet still managed 60mpg.
I would've got better economy out of my 2003 530d in the circumstances.
What's everyone else getting out of their diesels? I average around 38mpg at the moment because at least 50% of my driving is in urban areas.
I don't think your mpg is that bad to be honest. My wife's 2 litre A5 petrol with similar performance to you and 4WD would struggle to get much more than 33/34mpg in the same conditions and you would have to be very consumption aware to get that. It would easily slip to below 30mpg with any exuberance.
I could happily live with something like a 440i and for my mileage and driving the additional consumption would not be massive but as Martin said above, the big diesels sound great and I would really miss the torque. The on road performance of the 35D/40D is even better than the stats would suggest due to that instant shove in the back.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 25, 2017 7:15:21 GMT
I get about 33 to 35 MPG from the Benz on my daily commute which is about 16 miles Cotswold B Roads and lanes, with about 3 miles of A road at the end. On a run it can get up to 37 / 38 ish. I once got it up to 50 MPG, but that was setting off from the Kirkstone Pass and trundling down the hill to Ambleside. It just hit 50.1 MPG as we reached the mini roundabout at the bottom of the hill.  |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 25, 2017 10:34:07 GMT
I get 57mpg on my 42 mile commute up and down to Middlesbrough. It drops to 51mpg if I have a lot of stop start town traffic and I exercise my right foot more. I've got a 330d M Sport coming Monday so it'll be interesting how that compares fuelwise.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jul 25, 2017 11:36:47 GMT
Stop it with these 40 plus mpg figures. Or even 30 plus. I managed an indicated 25 on the gentle ish 300 mile run to Cornwall. That was fully loaded, not an inch of luggage room left, roofbox and two bikes on the roof. On my commute I get around 22 to 23.
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Post by Tim on Jul 25, 2017 11:54:03 GMT
I get 57mpg on my 42 mile commute up and down to Middlesbrough. It drops to 51mpg if I have a lot of stop start town traffic and I exercise my right foot more. I've got a 330d M Sport coming Monday so it'll be interesting how that compares fuelwise. How the hell are you getting that then? Is the saloon significantly better aerodynamically, etc?!
Stu, if it makes you feel better I'm getting 25/26 from the 370 and 20 from the M5. I haven't checked the Fiat since 2004 but it did 28/29 then.
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Post by Alex on Jul 25, 2017 13:06:45 GMT
I'm getting around 45mpg when I'm doing mostly town and country driving but longer distances using motorways sees 52mpg becoming achievable. I consider that quite good for a petrol Estate even if it is a downsized 1ltr 3 pot.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jul 28, 2017 15:36:30 GMT
I get 57mpg on my 42 mile commute up and down to Middlesbrough. It drops to 51mpg if I have a lot of stop start town traffic and I exercise my right foot more. I've got a 330d M Sport coming Monday so it'll be interesting how that compares fuelwise. How the hell are you getting that then? Is the saloon significantly better aerodynamically, etc?!
Stu, if it makes you feel better I'm getting 25/26 from the 370 and 20 from the M5. I haven't checked the Fiat since 2004 but it did 28/29 then.
That's better, cheers! |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 28, 2017 16:03:08 GMT
I get 57mpg on my 42 mile commute up and down to Middlesbrough. It drops to 51mpg if I have a lot of stop start town traffic and I exercise my right foot more. I've got a 330d M Sport coming Monday so it'll be interesting how that compares fuelwise. How the hell are you getting that then? Is the saloon significantly better aerodynamically, etc?!
Stu, if it makes you feel better I'm getting 25/26 from the 370 and 20 from the M5. I haven't checked the Fiat since 2004 but it did 28/29 then.
It's dual carriageway pretty much all the way so if I reset before setting off and review it after the 84 miles there and back it reads 57mpg. If I don't reset and just drive round normally for a few weeks/months, the average settles out at 51mpg. |
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