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Post by Tim on Jul 14, 2017 12:42:18 GMT
Scouse, you have the freedom not to pay the licence. My bro-in-law has given it up and doesn't watch terrestrial or satellite TV but the biggest problem with that is that he relies on his news fix from YouTube and the only channel he's found so far is Sky News. Just think, if you've got Sky you're paying towards an empire run by an Australian** Octogenarian with US citizenship who controls a huge chunk of our media and, currently, favours the Tories. Anyway the comments from Scouse, BB, ALF, me and Ian all confirm what I said earlier - if you look for bias you can find an example of the one you need to suit your own views. ** Having worked with a couple of 30-something Australians whose views and attitudes were firmly rooted in the late 1980s I shudder to think what his views on a lot of modern topics are
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Post by franki68 on Jul 14, 2017 12:48:00 GMT
There was a big fuss over the question time episode aired during the election.The audience was very left wing supposedly.
It was,my auntie's friend is one of those tasked with getting audience members ,there was a complete and total bias in who they selected.
But the bbc to me overall does a fairly reasonable job,channel 4 news is totally ott in its bias.Jon snow is a cunt of the highest order.
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Post by Tim on Jul 14, 2017 12:52:56 GMT
I stopped watching Question Time years ago. It's annoying when politicians all try to talk over the top of each other but my 2 main issues were 1) Dimbleby likes the sound of his own voice far too much, 2) if there was a female on the panel he'd let her talk and interrupt as much as she wanted but he didn't extend that to any males.
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 14, 2017 14:53:31 GMT
I stopped watching Question Time years ago. Likewise. Basically because I feared for the survival of my TV!
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Post by PG on Jul 14, 2017 17:10:53 GMT
I stopped watching Question Time years ago. Likewise. Basically because I feared for the survival of my TV! +1. And I've had to add C4 news to that embargo as well. I don;t know why they don't just rename "Labour at 7".
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 14, 2017 22:56:19 GMT
I stopped watching Question Time years ago. Likewise. Basically because I feared for the survival of my TV! Another +1 for this. I'll add, admittedly misogynistically, that I also stopped watching as most female politicians have irritating voices and school ma'am mannerisms that patronise.
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Post by alf on Jul 17, 2017 11:14:06 GMT
You can't compare bias in the BBC to that in other outlets. They run as independent businesses and if they want to show bias that's entirely up to them. The BBC is not only taxpayer funded, but because of that and the fact it does not charge for content, it is the "go to" news service for many.
I've actually been heartened to see the odd bit of pro-Conservative bias on there in recent years, and they give a good grilling to people on both sides, actually bothering to raise the affordability of policies in a way many do not. But there is no doubt they are, as BB said, centre-left/New Labour in make-up, and their current antipathy to Corbyn probably accounts for much of what seems to be less bias at times.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:40:24 GMT
I work in the private sector and feel lucky if I get a pay rise. It offends me that those in the public sector feel hard done by with 1% per annum when I only get that every other year if I'm lucky. Poor, underprivileged buggers...
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 17, 2017 20:59:03 GMT
I work in the private sector and feel lucky if I get a pay rise. It offends me that those in the public sector feel hard done by with 1% per annum when I only get that every other year if I'm lucky. Poor, underprivileged buggers... So, if private sector get 1% every other year, and public sector 1% annually, how does everyone seem to be affording more and more expensive things? Huh? Because I can't, and you can't. so where's all the money coming from? It's not all down to MP's and their 9% or whatever it was last time . . .
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Post by bryan on Jul 18, 2017 15:21:17 GMT
I work in the private sector and feel lucky if I get a pay rise. It offends me that those in the public sector feel hard done by with 1% per annum when I only get that every other year if I'm lucky. Poor, underprivileged buggers... So, if private sector get 1% every other year, and public sector 1% annually, how does everyone seem to be affording more and more expensive things? Huh? Because I can't, and you can't. so where's all the money coming from? It's not all down to MP's and their 9% or whatever it was last time . . . Cheap credit with low interest rates - I wonder how many people would fold if the rates were back when they were 5% - 10% or higher...... rather than reducing debt, some are using the cheap rates to fund instant gratification. There seems to be a skewed perception of what essentials vs luxuries are, but then I was brought up to only spend what I have and put some aside for a rainy day. I also agree with Simon, I don't like this current trend that the work that the public sector is somehow more valuable and worthy than any other job, is a person working in Asda/factory worth less as a human in the NHS? So for a lot in Private sector jobs 1% a year pay rise and many different levels in a pay scale would be very attractive rather than something to moan about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 17:25:18 GMT
There are millions working in the UK who only get a pay rise when the minimum wage is increased, not because they have an agreed yearly increase. Perhaps those public sector workers should keep that in mind when they're having a whinge...
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 18, 2017 17:44:04 GMT
So, if private sector get 1% every other year, and public sector 1% annually, how does everyone seem to be affording more and more expensive things? Huh? Because I can't, and you can't. so where's all the money coming from? It's not all down to MP's and their 9% or whatever it was last time . . . Cheap credit with low interest rates - I wonder how many people would fold if the rates were back when they were 5% - 10% or higher...... rather than reducing debt, some are using the cheap rates to fund instant gratification. There seems to be a skewed perception of what essentials vs luxuries are, but then I was brought up to only spend what I have and put some aside for a rainy day. I also agree with Simon, I don't like this current trend that the work that the public sector is somehow more valuable and worthy than any other job, is a person working in Asda/factory worth less as a human in the NHS? So for a lot in Private sector jobs 1% a year pay rise and many different levels in a pay scale would be very attractive rather than something to moan about. It was a (mostly) rhetorical question, and I do agree about some peoples' perception of 'essentials'! Sadly, I'm old enough to remember the shockingly high interest rates of the late 80's; indeed, when I bought my first house with my then fiancee, we were delighted to source a 13.75% rate!
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Post by PG on Jul 19, 2017 6:33:35 GMT
Only 13.75%. You were lucky. I was paying a rather amazing 18% for a few months at the time that the UK left the ERM.
I agree re cheap interest rates and finance keeping the economy going. Which is why central banks are dreading having to increase rates. Rather than unravel the issues that gave us the 2008 financial crisis, by piling on even more cheap money, we're still stacking up issues.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 19, 2017 7:04:47 GMT
I recall paying 17 or 18 percent on a mnortgage for a few years.... crippling at the time. However there appears to be no guaranteed way top have a smooth economic situation, it appears that peaks and troughts are a way of life and it's just a matter of how long they last. I also seem to recall that when I was younger, the gap between the rate paid to savers and what borrowers paid was much smaller than has been in recent years.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 19, 2017 8:16:40 GMT
I work in the private sector and feel lucky if I get a pay rise. It offends me that those in the public sector feel hard done by with 1% per annum when I only get that every other year if I'm lucky. Poor, underprivileged buggers... I understand what you're saying but we have to find a way to help those, lower paid, but vitally important public sector workers e.g nurses. As a country it doesn't make economic sense to spend large amounts of time and money training nurses only for them to start work and find they can't manage and either leave the profession entirely, or take their skills abroad. As has been pointed out; those at the top of their bands are generally competitively paid with good pensions, so I would rather see any available money being directed further down the bands where it's needed most.
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 20, 2017 11:41:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 15:54:42 GMT
HM Forces is similar as described above. There is a basic pay increase and recently they have done quite well compared to the public sector in general. Each rank then has increments based on experience. On top of that you have extra pay for being `a trade', specialist, qualifications and time abroad.
Mrs Scamper is a qualified flight nurse and at a guess she gets 30% more pay than the equiv grade nurse in the NHS. She has also received bonus payments for staying in - it was something like 3k at year 5 and 10k at year 9. Not sure she had to do a pay back on those amounts either.
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Post by Tim on Jul 24, 2017 12:34:00 GMT
We stopped off at a sort of village fete type thing on Saturday and one of the stands was recruiting for the army. Apparently once you've completed your training you will be entitled to free travel (to places where people might try to shoot/blow you up) but you'll also earn £17,495 p.a. I think that's an absolute disgrace, especially when the news was full of newsreaders earning £0.5M.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 24, 2017 13:38:59 GMT
We stopped off at a sort of village fete type thing on Saturday and one of the stands was recruiting for the army. Apparently once you've completed your training you will be entitled to free travel (to places where people might try to shoot/blow you up) but you'll also earn £17,495 p.a. I think that's an absolute disgrace, especially when the news was full of newsreaders earning £0.5M. £25k for a lance-corporal, £30k for a corporal. But I'm not sure what the right rate of pay would be for getting your legs blown off in the ME. I'm not sure the BBC pays soldiers' salaries.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:43:44 GMT
I think those salaries are at the top end of the increment scale, Bob. Although `squaddie' salaries are low, it helps being professionally qualified. Nurses automatically get full corporal rank once qualified.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 25, 2017 10:29:04 GMT
I think those salaries are at the top end of the increment scale, Bob. Although `squaddie' salaries are low, it helps being professionally qualified. Nurses automatically get full corporal rank once qualified. No idea. I got them from the army's document listing starting salaries for 2017 : www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/Ratesofpay-Regular.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 15:35:34 GMT
I think those salaries are at the top end of the increment scale, Bob. Although `squaddie' salaries are low, it helps being professionally qualified. Nurses automatically get full corporal rank once qualified. No idea. I got them from the army's document listing starting salaries for 2017 : www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/Ratesofpay-Regular.pdfLooking at those figures being in a `profession' gets you circa 15% on top at a rough estimate
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 25, 2017 20:05:18 GMT
In WW2 only the British would allow NCO Fliers. All the yanks with wings were officers. James 'Ginger' Lacey: Battle of Britain pilot remembered www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-40660077Basically we're an elitist, tight arsed nation
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Post by Tim on Jul 26, 2017 10:03:36 GMT
Ze Chermans allowed non-commissioned flyers as well.
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Post by grampa on Jul 26, 2017 14:20:45 GMT
I would love a 1% pay cap, or to be honest, even a -1% pay cap would be very welcome!
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jul 28, 2017 14:00:44 GMT
I am becoming increasingly irritated by the way public sector vs private sector pay is used as some kind of stick to stir up jealousy. There's no need.
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Post by Tim on Jul 28, 2017 15:28:16 GMT
I always thought that, in general, lower level office jobs - filing clerk, admin assistant for example - were much better paid in the public sector but that the higher up the salary scale you went the better you'd be in private sector but I don't think that stacks up anymore. Apart from the very high end perhaps.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 28, 2017 15:57:57 GMT
I am becoming increasingly irritated by the way public sector vs private sector pay is used as some kind of stick to stir up jealousy. There's no need. Divide and rule.
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