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Post by johnc on Jul 5, 2017 9:29:48 GMT
I've not seen any evidence for John's comment about clever students from wealthy backgrounds having less opportunity than less able students from poorer backgrounds - I'd be genuinely interested to know where this is from. We have two good friends who are heads of department at two of Glasgow's biggest universities - they have targets of students that they MUST take from under privileged areas. We had dinner with one of them about a month ago and he was complaining that he was coming round to that time of year again when he would have to reject some students he wanted to take and fill a certain number of spaces from students who apply from particular postcodes almost regardless of their grades. It is known that some students obtain less desirable addresses in the run up to University application because of this. He agrees that there are students who perhaps get B and C grades from a poor school who deserve to be given a chance but he objects to the fact that he MUST take some students he reckons just won't make it whilst having to reject others whom he can see have a burning desire and an intellectual capacity to succeed.
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Post by michael on Jul 5, 2017 9:38:08 GMT
Is that a specific Scotland (SNP) issue by any chance?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 5, 2017 9:38:56 GMT
If argument is that figure, £40k, £50k, whatever it may be is the debt of being a graduate and that should be picked up by the tax payer then I'd ask what is being paid for. £9k a year to do community drama, I would argue, is not in the national interest. I'm a believer in targeting graduates for the national interest. For example, we know there's a shortage of maths graduates so I would offer anyone who takes a degree in maths and gets honours to be refunded 30% of their fees. Some professions are short of maths graduates, eg teaching, so I'd say that anyone with a maths degree who goes into teaching, we'll match their student loan repayments, pound for pound, while they remain in teaching.
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Post by johnc on Jul 5, 2017 9:43:42 GMT
Is that a specific Scotland (SNP) issue by any chance? There is a distinct possibility that it is since social engineering appears to be more favoured north of the border.
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 5, 2017 9:54:46 GMT
Perhaps it's significant that Germany has a comparatively low level of graduates (circa 27% of the population, I believe) but it doesn't seem to have weakened their economic competitiveness. But then again they know the value of a trade. We do a similar thing where I work - the young ones do their welding and fabrication apprenticeships, work on the tools for a year or so and then we pick the brightest and train them as welding technicians, with regular courses at the TWI in Cambridge. They then specialize in metallurgy, NDT or welding etc. It doesn't cost them anything and we get the people we want to work in those roles. These two things are heavily related. Basically, in the words of Punch and Judy men everywhere: "that's the way to do it...."
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 5, 2017 10:02:43 GMT
If argument is that figure, £40k, £50k, whatever it may be is the debt of being a graduate and that should be picked up by the tax payer then I'd ask what is being paid for. £9k a year to do community drama, I would argue, is not in the national interest. I'm a believer in targeting graduates for the national interest. For example, we know there's a shortage of maths graduates so I would offer anyone who takes a degree in maths and gets honours to be refunded 30% of their fees. Some professions are short of maths graduates, eg teaching, so I'd say that anyone with a maths degree who goes into teaching, we'll match their student loan repayments, pound for pound, while they remain in teaching. Old school friend of mine was a Head of Maths at some beacon school. He was minted; could name his own terms effectively (he was a genius - made me realise I was pissing up a rope as I did the same as him Maths, Further Maths, Pure Maths, Theoretical Mechanics and Physics.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 10:08:12 GMT
If argument is that figure, £40k, £50k, whatever it may be is the debt of being a graduate and that should be picked up by the tax payer then I'd ask what is being paid for. £9k a year to do community drama, I would argue, is not in the national interest. Indeed, that point was covered in the remainder of my post.
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Post by michael on Jul 17, 2017 21:39:34 GMT
I see Labour have now clarified they didn't pledge to splurge £100billion on writing off student debt, instead it was an ambition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 10:27:35 GMT
This is my problem with politicians, they say something and then change it by saying something along the lines "It is something we would LIKE to do but cannot". multi faceted lies and deceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 10:42:54 GMT
Corbyn's main issue in my eyes is that he spouts the sort of stuff that appeals to those who pay little or no taxes because they're too thick or idle to get a decent (if one at all) job. The problem is that there is a huge fucking amount of those people in the UK!
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