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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 6, 2020 11:25:40 GMT
Presumably, in that case, God isn't Alanis Morrisette after all. Nor Morgan Freeman for that matter either... God is a DJ.
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Post by PG on Nov 6, 2020 11:56:54 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 6, 2020 12:03:45 GMT
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Post by PG on Nov 6, 2020 12:13:06 GMT
Interesting articles.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 6, 2020 14:47:02 GMT
Biden now ahead in PA...
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Post by Ben on Nov 7, 2020 3:02:42 GMT
I don't understand why it takes so long to count the votes in Pennsylvania. It's not like it is a non-developed or sparsely populated state in the middle of nowhere As I understand it's down to the unique circumstances of this year, where there's far more mail-in ballots than usual due to Covid. Mail-in ballots require voter verification (to ensure no voter fraud), and I think some states had laws that said the verification process cannot begin until after election night.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 7, 2020 21:46:48 GMT
I win: the one vote for Biden including PA was me. I'll be moving into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in January.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 23:13:58 GMT
Really? It's so chilly then, perhaps wait for March?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 8, 2020 14:55:13 GMT
Well done you!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 16:05:07 GMT
I wonder if Trump will sue his 'spiritual advisor'? In the immortal words of Delia Smith Angels (11th man), where are you?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 9, 2020 9:43:05 GMT
Whilst I'm delighted that Trump is probably on his way out I'm not rejoicing. Joe Biden is going to be a lame duck president - the Republicans keep control of the Senate and have made gains in Congress. He'll struggle to get any meaningful policies through the Senate - at least for 2 years, and at his age I can't see him seeking re-election in 2024. For years we've been told that the demographics were against the Republican party and that they were dying out and here we are, they have signed up 4 million new members and will probably sign up 4 million more. Trump got more votes that any sitting president and my bet it he won't give up now. He'll probably start his own media channel and spend the next 4 years highlighting every mistep the the Biden administration makes, run again (or back Don Jnr) and get in with a landslide. Only this time the gloves will be off and he'll be out for revenge.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 9, 2020 10:07:22 GMT
So does this put the UK back at the back of the line as we were so offered by the last Democratic party president?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 9, 2020 10:35:18 GMT
So does this put the UK back at the back of the line as we were so offered by the last Democratic party president? Yeah, I forgot that - he's no friend of the UK and plays up to his Irish heritage.
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Post by michael on Nov 9, 2020 10:42:34 GMT
Whilst I'm delighted that Trump is probably on his way out I'm not rejoicing. Joe Biden is going to be a lame duck president - the Republicans keep control of the Senate and have made gains in Congress. I think the American public have made a good call, they've recognised Trump isn't fit for office and Biden isn't fit for power. He's basically got a Theresa May situation where he can't do a great deal but I suspect the world will polarise around him and we'll have a decisive win for the left or right next time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 10:51:57 GMT
I just hope they can sort themselves out as the current mess is unsustainable. With the Russians and the Chinese being as bullish as they are it does not bear thinking about otherwise.
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Post by PG on Nov 9, 2020 11:00:04 GMT
Whilst I'm delighted that Trump is probably on his way out I'm not rejoicing. Joe Biden is going to be a lame duck president - the Republicans keep control of the Senate and have made gains in Congress. I think the American public have made a good call, they've recognised Trump isn't fit for office and Biden isn't fit for power. He's basically got a Theresa May situation where he can't do a great deal but I suspect the world will polarise around him and we'll have a decisive win for the left or right next time. How very true. The question will be, at what point does Biden step aside and let Harris become President? If he does it after two years + 1 day of being President, then she can also still serve two elected terms, so be President for 10 years. And that way, she also would also most likely stand unopposed as Democrat candidate for 2024. But if he holds out till his term, I reckon others in the Democrats may oppose her as the nominee. The left / right debate in the Democrats was never settled - hence Biden as the "safe" candidate plus Harris to quieten the left of the party. Plus of course Obama as a black guy got elected, but Clinton as a woman did not. So would the rust belt support a black woman Democratic candidate? Unwoke and non-PC it may be to suggest it, I seriously doubt it. Which means that if the Republicans can select a good candidate for 2024, they'll be in with a real chance.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 9, 2020 11:33:11 GMT
Whilst I'm delighted that Trump is probably on his way out I'm not rejoicing. Joe Biden is going to be a lame duck president - the Republicans keep control of the Senate and have made gains in Congress. I think the American public have made a good call, they've recognised Trump isn't fit for office and Biden isn't fit for power. He's basically got a Theresa May situation where he can't do a great deal but I suspect the world will polarise around him and we'll have a decisive win for the left or right next time. But 71 million did think he was fit for office and voted for him in record numbers. If Biden's coronavirus plan stalls their recovery, their 401Ks don't continue their meteoric rise as under Trump, they see China starting to get their way again, they'll vote for Trump again in 2024. Will the Democrats come out in force again in 2024 or will they fade away?
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Post by scouse on Nov 9, 2020 11:39:47 GMT
I think the American public have made a good call, they've recognised Trump isn't fit for office and Biden isn't fit for power. He's basically got a Theresa May situation where he can't do a great deal but I suspect the world will polarise around him and we'll have a decisive win for the left or right next time. But 71 million did think he was fit for office and voted for him in record numbers. If Biden's coronavirus plan stalls their recovery, their 401Ks don't continue their meteoric rise as under Trump, they see China starting to get their way again, they'll vote for Trump again in 2024. Will the Democrats come out in force again in 2024 or will they fade away? Without the 24hr rolling 'Trump is unfit for president' news, I wonder what would have happened or what will happen in 2024? After all he increased his support across ALL demographics despite 5 years of 'Trump is a racist/sexist/homophobe/islamophobe/sinophobe/Russian Stooge' (delete as preferred).
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Post by michael on Nov 9, 2020 11:57:51 GMT
I think the American public have made a good call, they've recognised Trump isn't fit for office and Biden isn't fit for power. He's basically got a Theresa May situation where he can't do a great deal but I suspect the world will polarise around him and we'll have a decisive win for the left or right next time. But 71 million did think he was fit for office and voted for him in record numbers. If Biden's coronavirus plan stalls their recovery, their 401Ks don't continue their meteoric rise as under Trump, they see China starting to get their way again, they'll vote for Trump again in 2024. Will the Democrats come out in force again in 2024 or will they fade away? My point is they split their ballots voting democrat in the president and republican in the senate.
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Post by PG on Nov 9, 2020 14:15:01 GMT
I must say that having listened to the radio (R4 and R2) a bit these last few days, the turnaround from 24 hr Trump hate in to 24 hr Biden / Harris love in is getting rather annoying. And not very balanced. The way some of the BBC reporters are talking, you'd think that Hitler had just lost an election.
I remember four years ago everybody saying that Trump would kill us all in a nuclear war. But I think he was actually the first president in ages not to start a war with anybody.
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Post by scouse on Nov 9, 2020 16:27:39 GMT
I must say that having listened to the radio (R4 and R2) a bit these last few days, the turnaround from 24 hr Trump hate in to 24 hr Biden / Harris love in is getting rather annoying. And not very balanced. The way some of the BBC reporters are talking, you'd think that Hitler had just lost an election. I remember four years ago everybody saying that Trump would kill us all in a nuclear war. But I think he was actually the first president in ages not to start a war with anybody. He was. And if not brought about peace in the middle east, he's managed to bring it a whole lot closer or even just the begining of a re-alignment with Saudi supposedly next to normalise realtions with Israel.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 9, 2020 21:41:37 GMT
I suppose that is one way to look at things. In the sense that there is always more than one way of looking at things.
Personally I'm delighted Trump has become a one-term president. Irrespective of right wing or left wing, he's just the worst sort of horrific, shameless bully, who stirred the ants' nest at every opportunity for his own personal gain and that of his obnoxious offspring. If American politics is a mess than Donald Trump's nasty little fingerprints are all over that mess like a bad rash.
I actually met him once, in the late 1990s. Never say never, but guessing it's the only time I shall meet a person who is a former, current or future US president.
As for Biden, I just hope he ignores the sillier end of his party and does what he promises.
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Post by michael on Nov 9, 2020 21:46:52 GMT
The one termer thing will likely grate on him more than anything. He will be remembered as an aberration which George W will be grateful for.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 9, 2020 21:53:16 GMT
In the arena of politics Trump's achievements in the Middle East, avoiding war, sticking it to China are overshadowed by the manner of his achieving them. It's unseemly for the leader of the nation that claims to be the leader of the free world to issue abusive Tweets, throw a paddy when he doesn't get his own way, sack advisors because their reasonable advice based on experience and the facts presented to them didn't align with his own views. That's why he was unpopular in the media, unpopular with senior Republicans (George W Bush as the only living former Republican President was swift to congratulate Biden and make sure it was publicised well) and unpopular with many western leaders. His populist views were also not out of place compared to a few other major world figures but, again, his manner of putting them across was unacceptable for a man in such a world defining position. It's OK some mad old Lord in the House to call the VP-Elect "the Indian" and to be castigated for it but for the POTUS to call an entire nation drug dealers, criminals and rapists is a few levels off the scale.
So those of you that read lots of papers - which is simple now with taking a few `Twitter feeds, news feeds on iOS etc. - you'll note that many are agreed that Trump is gone. Trumpism isn't. His views coming from him are abhorrent; when you look at 71M voters and a few million more that didn't those views are perfectly reasonable. That's more Trumpists than people there are in the UK. And most of them are armed.
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Post by Tim on Nov 10, 2020 9:12:26 GMT
So those of you that read lots of papers - which is simple now with taking a few `Twitter feeds, news feeds on iOS etc. - you'll note that many are agreed that Trump is gone. Trumpism isn't. His views coming from him are abhorrent; when you look at 71M voters and a few million more that didn't those views are perfectly reasonable. That's more Trumpists than people there are in the UK. And most of them are armed. I've read quite a few articles about what the Republicans might do in 2024. There seems to be a reasonable degree of thought that they've seen how well his racist, bullying, etc approach worked but that his inability to string a coherent sentence together maybe cost quite a lot of votes, therefore the next GOP candidate will be someone more extreme but with a much more polished style. So, prepare for a shift right over the next 4 years and some coordinated work from the likes of Fox News.
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Post by johnc on Nov 10, 2020 9:22:43 GMT
There seems to be a reasonable degree of thought that they've seen how well his racist, bullying, etc approach worked but that his inability to string a coherent sentence together maybe cost quite a lot of votes, therefore the next GOP candidate will be someone more extreme but with a much more polished style. So, prepare for a shift right over the next 4 years and some coordinated work from the likes of Fox News. That is surely just the catalyst for a never ending conflict between the haves and have nots and lots of racial tension and unrest. The US is hardly going to be a harmonious place to live and could become very dangerous.
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Post by Tim on Nov 11, 2020 13:57:04 GMT
I was reading a bit about Donald Trump Jnr and this made me laugh
In 2003, Trump Jr. began dating model Vanessa Kay Haydon at his father's suggestion
This is the woman who he married and had 5 kids with. Considering the apparent lack of respect/parental love from daddy it strikes me as particularly pathetic.
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