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Post by Martin on Jul 7, 2020 16:59:28 GMT
That list is just 9 different ways of saying "no" to me. Eurrgh! a Q3 RS, or the Alfa Stelvio Quadriwhateverthefitsactuallycalled would suit me, as would the F Pace SVR - but not many others. And I'd still cry in every corner... Exactly how fast do you want to go around corners? Did you know that the RS Q8 and the Porsche Taycan have the exact same Nurburgring time? ALF likes oversteer / sideways queefness
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 7, 2020 17:07:42 GMT
I think we know where you might get a deal on one of these .. .. .. Won't be much of a deal.... No, there is that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 17:17:17 GMT
Exactly how fast do you want to go around corners? Did you know that the RS Q8 and the Porsche Taycan have the exact same Nurburgring time? ALF likes oversteer / sideways queefness On public roads?
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Post by Tim on Jul 8, 2020 8:25:35 GMT
ALF likes oversteer / sideways queefness On public roads? Why not? If you have, say, a 2002 BMW 320d touring on old rear tyres you can go very sideways round wet roundabouts at about 15mph - it doesn't have to be 100mph Fast & Furious stylee.....
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Post by alf on Jul 8, 2020 8:31:32 GMT
Its the seating position and ride height - I just can't get over it. Our Q3 is an S Line on 255 rubber and yes it goes round corners, but I don't enjoy pushing it. Pushing a car hard in corners is my biggest motoring pleasure - not necessarily on the limit - but hard direction changes and precise cornering. I love the feel of the wheel weighting up in my hands, then the front tyres slightly pushing on, then bringing the rear into play under power at the apex so as to be able to take a little lock off on exit. It's what I learned in thousands of miles of on-track driving in Caterhams, sat inches off the deck, and I love it.
There is just too much weight transfer and suspension movement - and you are too high up - in an SUV to feel the same. So it's not the lap time its the sheer pleasure, and its a pleasure I can have at lower speeds and within the law compared to just blatting it everywhere. And yes I do oversteer fairly often - small bites usually - and the weight and height make it very clumsy to gather than in an SUV. I'm not the only one either - when I did a Jaguar day I repeatedly slalomed a boggo XF estate against an F Pace (at that time the supposedly best handling SUV jointly with the Cayenne, according to Evo and others). The XF murdered it on the direction changes and was just so much more fun, and I overheard loads of people saying the same.
That said, I would have one - they have undeniable appeal, I like them as family cars, the height is helpful on motorways. I just could not have one as my only car, and given my job often ends up with me in some rural part of the country driving on quiet bendy roads, I'd regret an SUV at my current time of life. I also suspect I'd spend more running one - according to Jaguar I just used 0% brake pad material in 15k miles :-) And the motorway MPG of mine is insanely good - again SUV frontal area precludes that.
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Post by Martin on Jul 8, 2020 8:49:04 GMT
When I drive the Golf now it feels like I'm sitting on the floor in a Supercar rather than a hatchback and it feels quicker now the 750 isn't the benchmark.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 10:27:24 GMT
I looked up that VW Teramont X because I'd not seen one before. Turns out it's based off the VW Atlas, a US built "mid sized" crossover (mid sized but the largest MQB car VW make!). The US no longer has the Toerag, but builds their own model instead. Why would VW build two cars that are similar in size and not just the one? Atlas is cheaper to build perhaps?
One interesting factoid: the Atlas still uses the VR6 engine.
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