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Post by johnc on Jan 7, 2020 13:44:21 GMT
Having been the subject of some hacking about 10 years ago which forced us to close down for about 3 or 4 days I feel very strongly that the perpetrators of these crimes are worse than bank robbers. They try to extort money and stay hidden whilst doing massive financial and emotional damage. If I had my way I would have the SAS kick their doors down and shoot anyone that moved. This needs international co-operation (highly unlikely in today's world) to trace and target these people but there seems to be an attitude of shrugging the shoulders and assuming that the targeted company didn't have good enough systems: that just isn't true in many cases. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51017852
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 7, 2020 13:51:29 GMT
Wholeheartedly agree - have you read what happened to Maersk a couple of years ago?
I became aware of the Travelex issue when Tesco took down its online foreign currency service over the festive break then read on the BBC that the reason was because its "partner" Travelex had been attacked.... however it seems that "financial crime" is never really taken very seriously by authorities
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Post by johnc on Jan 7, 2020 14:01:22 GMT
I did hear about Maersk - it's something I am super conscious of now.
We will probably find out (or we won't but the authorities will) that it was Russian, N Korean or Iranian state sponsored hackers just looking for their Christmas bonuses. The Russians are looking to make their internet effectively a closed system so that they can control all the information available to anyone who goes looking within Russia, much in the same way as the Chinese do at the moment. Unfortunately we might need to do a similar thing just to help keep these people out.
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Post by Tim on Jan 7, 2020 14:26:10 GMT
I know there were some scams from recent years that were allegedly being run from Hawaii. Sadly it appears that our special relationship didn't extend to these people being removed from existence but agree that in all cases they should.
While people will look at it and shrug their shoulders and see it as a business problem they probably don't realise it affects everyone through higher insurance premiums, greater costs for services, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 15:41:38 GMT
This affects a lot of individuals as well as businesses. Much of the loss is due to people who basically cannot be bothered to take it seriously. I cannot accept the quick justice killing, it is unconscionable. We need to come up with something much more judicial in nature and allowing for the individual freedoms and rights. None of this self righteous killing for the sake of it, justice should serve the people and a purpose. Now, if we are talking about creating an artificial reef with old ships and stuffing them with said miscreants while still alive and then sinking them we might be more on the money. Either that or turning them into animal food, you know the sort of thing, big cats etc in a zoo perhaps. Also while alive but perhaps given a mild sedative, no need for said felines to choke on their food.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 7, 2020 19:24:28 GMT
Wholeheartedly agree - have you read what happened to Maersk a couple of years ago? I became aware of the Travelex issue when Tesco took down its online foreign currency service over the festive break then read on the BBC that the reason was because its "partner" Travelex had been attacked.... however it seems that "financial crime" is never really taken very seriously by authorities Indeed. They could report it to (In)action Fraud...
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Post by PG on Jan 7, 2020 21:07:55 GMT
There is an increasing list of crimes that are not taken seriously by the authorities it seems - Burglary - your house was not well enough protected, and anyway you're insured Car crime - it's the manufacturers problem or you need better security and anyway you're insured Financial crime - it's the bank's fault or yours and if the former, they'll pay and if the latter well tough Somebody wolf whistled at me - we'll be right round......
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 7, 2020 23:29:39 GMT
There is an increasing list of crimes that are not taken seriously by the authorities it seems - Burglary - your house was not well enough protected, and anyway you're insured Car crime - it's the manufacturers problem or you need better security and anyway you're insured Financial crime - it's the bank's fault or yours and if the former, they'll pay and if the latter well tough Somebody wolf whistled at me - we'll be right round...... Theft from deliveries is another huge area of crime activity with a void of investigation. Before Christmas I bought a used iPad and it was sent (insured) via Hermes. After two days of the tracker saying it was at the depot and they'd update us shortly both me and the sender contacted Hermes. Apparently it was registered as entering the depot; the van manifest never showed it going on the van. I asked the call handler if the call was being recorded and she said yes so I repeatedly used the words "a crime has clearly been committed and you're not going to report it" and she repeatedly quoted the mantra written in front of her "we advise it has gone missing in the system and we can't explain its whereabouts. The sender will have to make a claim." Yeah an iPad Pro went missing in the system but if I'd ordered a pair of loose socks it would have arrived the next day no problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 0:23:46 GMT
I ordered a pair of fleece blankets but cancelled before dispatch, I kept getting reports that the item was delayed but on it's way despite my insisting they email me confirmation of the cancellation. What is the betting someone somewhere in the system has put in a claim for that. I know, hardly earth shattering but as a copper elsewhere said when thieving recycle'rs nicked my engine cover while I was making a cup of tea, "It might only be worth twenty quid to replace but more like two to them and every two quid goes on their bottom line".
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Post by scouse on Jan 8, 2020 11:35:05 GMT
There is an increasing list of crimes that are not taken seriously by the authorities it seems - Burglary - your house was not well enough protected, and anyway you're insured Car crime - it's the manufacturers problem or you need better security and anyway you're insured Financial crime - it's the bank's fault or yours and if the former, they'll pay and if the latter well tough Somebody wolf whistled at me - we'll be right round...... You missed 'Someone mis-gendered me on the interweb' - we'll contact them and threaten them with arrest for thought crime and if that doesn't work we'll classify it as a 'non-crime hate incident' and make sure they can't work anywhere a BDS check is required.
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Post by PG on Jan 13, 2020 17:56:57 GMT
And I'm sure that rank and file police officers are as equally appalled as the general public by this mis-prioritisation of crime.
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