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Post by racingteatray on Jan 22, 2020 14:23:28 GMT
I keep an eye on a couple of Labour groups This conjures up all sorts of amusing mental images of hiding up trees with night vision goggles whilst deploying spy-Newfies equipped with listening devices...I'm not being serious of course... ...I imagine Newfies are utterly unsuitable for black ops!
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Post by michael on Jan 22, 2020 14:34:12 GMT
One of them is trying to tunnel next door to socialism so maybe you’ve misjudged them?
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 22, 2020 14:36:10 GMT
The leader of the Durham Miners Association was on the local news last night. He made a point that the newly elected Conservative MPs would not be welcome at the Gala (despite this being a family public event) and made a thinly veiled threat about the police possibly not being being able to guarantee their safety. The miners strike was 35 years ago FFS.
He then went on to say that the Labour Party needed to bring voters back onside to the left and that he wasn't interested in moderate policies.
They've got no chance at all.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 22, 2020 14:37:57 GMT
I'm reminded of Alan Johnson's observation on Election Night in December that the working classes have always been a big disappointment to Momentum types, what with their unaccountable desire to better themselves rather than be content with their lot. Still bringing it back to the Brexit vote then...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 15:06:28 GMT
Whenever I get to pondering the origin of certain people I am reminded of some of the television programs currently on. What would Sheldon Cooper say? I know but sometimes the best way to think of some people is in the guise of humour.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 22, 2020 16:32:38 GMT
I'm reminded of Alan Johnson's observation on Election Night in December that the working classes have always been a big disappointment to Momentum types, what with their unaccountable desire to better themselves rather than be content with their lot. Still bringing it back to the Brexit vote then...
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 24, 2020 22:41:39 GMT
I was tempted to ask him what on earth they see in Ms Wrong-Daily but he didn’t look in a sociable frame of mind.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 25, 2020 8:17:17 GMT
The cover is the wrong colour for Mao's Little Red Book. Maybe it is Marx's Capital or Communist Manifesto.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 25, 2020 10:49:26 GMT
I was just able to see that the top page inside the green folder had the words “Socialist Research Group” written on it. It’s how Incould be 100% certain it wasn’t a doppelgänger.
Don’t know what he was reading but it was a very old book.
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Post by johnc on Jan 25, 2020 12:59:44 GMT
I was just able to see that the top page inside the green folder had the words “Socialist Research Group” written on it. It’s how Incould be 100% certain it wasn’t a doppelgänger. Don’t know what he was reading but it was a very old book. Is the SRG the Labour equivalent of the ERG?
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Post by michael on Jan 25, 2020 13:26:53 GMT
I was just able to see that the top page inside the green folder had the words “Socialist Research Group” written on it. It’s how Incould be 100% certain it wasn’t a doppelgänger. Don’t know what he was reading but it was a very old book. Is the SRG the Labour equivalent of the ERG? Probably. Doubt they’ve found an example where socialism works.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 25, 2020 21:08:40 GMT
I was tempted to ask him what on earth they see in Ms Wrong-Daily but he didn’t look in a sociable frame of mind. Union leadership would love a socialist leader with ideals about sharing "for the many not they few" because they will be those that remain in the group called "the few". That Union members can't see that their leadership seeks to improve the piss-poor lot of their members in minuscule increments whilst allowing them to take the flak when they go on strike and all the while living off their membership subs in a manner that the members can only dream of is beyond me. The kind of union action and demands that are still in play today are for a time when death and danger was a minute by minute reality. Health and safety laws, employment laws, discrimination laws etc have all been passed due to historic union action and that's great. Modern unions need to consider what their role is as the law has made sure that the workers are looked after to the extent that non-union members benefit as much as union members. There's no unionised sector that has zero hours contracts (Unison can think what they like, the moment a coffee shop worker tells their manager that they're taking some kind of action they're out on the street and all the other coffee shop workers will carry on serving coffee) and unionised sectors are all well remunerated, have good holiday and family working allowances etc. Unions should be arguing for the ability to progress but then, of course, their members would move up the management chain and suddenly not be interested in the unions any more (my step brother is on the works council for Adidas as a senior manager as is the German way - he hates the workers' reps because they basically whinge about issues that are ridiculous when you take their lot in life into consideration) and that's what Unions fear - loss of control of the masses as they look to move on.
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Post by Tim on Jan 27, 2020 10:15:52 GMT
Re-the photo surely a more pertinent question is why the guy next to him is wearing tassled slip on shoes?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 27, 2020 10:19:08 GMT
Re-the photo surely a more pertinent question is why the guy next to him is wearing tassled slip on shoes? You can tell a lot by a man's shoes. Given the choice I'd take the guy in the tassled shoes to lead a party over the tramp sitting next to him. State of his shoes FFS.
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Post by Tim on Jan 27, 2020 10:20:56 GMT
Re-the photo surely a more pertinent question is why the guy next to him is wearing tassled slip on shoes? You can tell a lot by a man's shoes. Given the choice I'd tack the guy in the tassled shoes over those of the tramp sitting next to him. Quite but the guy in the scruffy shoes is, presumably, about to receive a significant pay cut so he's clearly thinking ahead by making savings (shoe polish) where he can!
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Post by PG on Jan 27, 2020 10:40:51 GMT
... and that's what Unions fear - loss of control of the masses as they look to move on. As do socialists. Make people successful and they are less likely to vote for you and your socialist ideals. Keep them poor enough and fan their grievances to make them want to vote for you, yet not so poor that they will revolt against you - the eternal balance of the left in politics.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 27, 2020 10:55:50 GMT
I don't believe that of the majority of UK Labour politicians for even 10 seconds, regardless of whether I like them. It's just silly exaggeration designed to feed the ongoing polarisation of politics - the diseased "you're either with us or against us" tribalism that infects both the Left and the Right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 12:00:37 GMT
I didn't vote Labour, but know people in the party and see no truth in the notion either. Bliar did his party no favours with all the hob-nobbing with celebs.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 27, 2020 12:05:13 GMT
I don't believe that of the majority of UK Labour politicians for even 10 seconds, regardless of whether I like them. It's just silly exaggeration designed to feed the ongoing polarisation of politics - the diseased "you're either with us or against us" tribalism that infects both the Left and the Right. However....... Labour politicians are reliant on the support of Unions and they really are perpetrators of the policies of tribalism. The comments made by Labour members (people with a vote for leader) about Blair's leadership confirm that this is still the case: he is considered utterly treacherous due to his centrist policies which allowed capitalism to carry on and enable people to migrate between "classes" even though by doing so he improved the lot of many life-long Labour voters who didn't want or try to make that migration. For what it's worth I think we really need a left of centre Parliament at present but the election wasn't fought on these grounds, or even if it was the electorate had only one issue they wanted to concentrate on. If the alternative in 5 years time is more foaming-mouth socialism we will have five more years of foaming-mouth, jack-booting right-wing idiocy.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 27, 2020 12:09:39 GMT
Talking of foaming-mouth, jack-booting right-wing idiocy, in our household, we are quietly pleased this morning that the Italian equivalent of Labour managed to fend off Salvini's right-wing coalition in Emilia-Romagna.
He's a horrific individual. Makes Nigel Farage look like a bleeding heart liberal.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 27, 2020 12:20:27 GMT
Talking of foaming-mouth, jack-booting right-wing idiocy, in our household, we are quietly pleased this morning that the Italian equivalent of Labour managed to fend off Salvini's right-wing coalition in Emilia-Romagna. He's a horrific individual. Makes Nigel Farage look like a bleeding heart liberal. Just read of that myself. Yes he's not really pleasant at all is he?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 27, 2020 12:28:02 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 27, 2020 12:55:29 GMT
Talking of foaming-mouth, jack-booting right-wing idiocy, in our household, we are quietly pleased this morning that the Italian equivalent of Labour managed to fend off Salvini's right-wing coalition in Emilia-Romagna. He's a horrific individual. Makes Nigel Farage look like a bleeding heart liberal. The good thing about Italy is that there's always another election a couple of weeks away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 10:01:07 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 4, 2020 23:20:12 GMT
No surprises there. After the ludicrous manchild that was Corbyn, it’s not surprising they went for somebody who at least comes across as a sensible grown-up.
I hope he proves up to it. We need some decent opposition for a change.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 5, 2020 7:54:21 GMT
No surprises there. After the ludicrous manchild that was Corbyn, it’s not surprising they went for somebody who at least comes across as a sensible grown-up. I hope he proves up to it. We need some decent opposition for a change. Don’t worry, I’ll give it a month before Momentum turn on him.
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Post by michael on Apr 5, 2020 8:43:04 GMT
I’m amazed he managed it, I honestly thought they’d have rigged it to RLB. He’s got to walk a tightrope now as he either tries to work with the loony left or purges them in which case they’ll turn on themselves even more. Its still not plain sailing for Labour.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 5, 2020 14:51:10 GMT
The interesting thing is that he seems to have managed a clean sweep, with his supporters also winning across the board for the NEC etc.
I'm interested to see what the Shadow Cabinet will look like.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 16:18:37 GMT
No idea but, realists winning the day in the Laboured partly? Bloody hell, what did they spike the water with?
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Post by garry on Apr 6, 2020 10:32:16 GMT
Looks like he’s had a clear out of some of the hard left too. As a life long conservative voter I’m happy to see a more challenging opposition. Competition forces everyone to up their game and I think he gives Labour the best chance of being a real political threat.
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