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Post by racingteatray on Jan 7, 2020 14:33:09 GMT
I agree that Long-Bailey (or Wrong-Daily as I saw her described) would be useless. So I hope they pick her. I'm certainly not a Labour supporter but I do think we need a strong opposition so am desperately hopeful that the Labour dreamers don't go down this route. I'm prepared to be disappointed though..... ^^ This.
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Post by Boxer6 on Jan 7, 2020 15:37:51 GMT
I'm certainly not a Labour supporter but I do think we need a strong opposition so am desperately hopeful that the Labour dreamers don't go down this route. I'm expecting to be disappointed though..... ^^ This. Or rather .. .. ..
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Post by Tim on Jan 10, 2020 9:22:56 GMT
There's a fantastic letter in the latest edition of Private Eye from a true Corbynista laying the blame at everyone except Corbyn - I think it might be the same letter that includes Tony Blair in the list of bad people and oranisations.
They mention Mark's 'friend' Laura Pidcock as being the voice of reason!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 10, 2020 9:32:18 GMT
There's a fantastic letter in the latest edition of Private Eye from a true Corbynista laying the blame at everyone except Corbyn - I think it might be the same letter that includes Tony Blair in the list of bad people and oranisations. They mention Mark's 'friend' Laura Pidcock as being the voice of reason! That's the problem when people become members of cults, all reason goes out of the window. There really needs to be some sort of de-radicalisation programme for them.
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Post by Tim on Jan 10, 2020 9:33:30 GMT
There's a fantastic letter in the latest edition of Private Eye from a true Corbynista laying the blame at everyone except Corbyn - I think it might be the same letter that includes Tony Blair in the list of bad people and oranisations. They mention Mark's 'friend' Laura Pidcock as being the voice of reason! That's the problem when people become members of cults, all reason goes out of the window. There really needs to be some sort of de-radicalisation programme for them. Sadly not even losing their seat appears to work
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Post by michael on Jan 16, 2020 14:56:13 GMT
Momentum have backed Rebecca Long-Bailey. Never underestimate the Labour death-wish.
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Post by Tim on Jan 16, 2020 15:47:32 GMT
Wasn't that guaranteed as she is the no1 Corbinysta on the list?
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Post by michael on Jan 16, 2020 16:15:53 GMT
Yes, also because their ballot was rigged with the question being "should momentum back RLB and Angela Raynor? yes or no"
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 16, 2020 16:21:01 GMT
The hard left doesn't do democracy. It believes it knows best and doesn't brook any dissention from that.
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Post by michael on Jan 16, 2020 16:35:55 GMT
Momentum has already started its campaign against Keir Starmer and according to the latest poll RLB is in the lead.
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Post by Tim on Jan 16, 2020 17:16:33 GMT
Fine, that's one less party to have to consider at the next election then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:27:31 GMT
Exactly, with the continuation management, laboured will have more opportunity to learn a trade running a school tuck shop. No doubt they would royally fuck that up too.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 16, 2020 17:41:11 GMT
Momentum has already started its campaign against Keir Starmer and according to the latest poll RLB is in the lead. Although I wonder how representative something called "Labour List" is - it sounds quite true red to me.
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Post by michael on Jan 16, 2020 17:47:25 GMT
They're relatively balanced actually. Obviously lefty but Sienna Rodgers the editor has always struck me as a moderate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 9:31:09 GMT
Lawks, she's openly religious...
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Post by michael on Jan 18, 2020 9:10:47 GMT
Lawks, she's openly religious... Why’s that an issue?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 9:25:34 GMT
Personally, I'd never vote for anyone who believes in fairies, but I do understand that others feel differently!
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Post by michael on Jan 18, 2020 9:32:32 GMT
Would you ever vote for a Muslim?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 13:02:47 GMT
If they were a decent enough candidate, why not? Getting the job done well is about all we can vote for which is why laboured are so far out of the running.
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Post by michael on Jan 18, 2020 13:34:07 GMT
I think most would agree, Mike. Quite surprising someone would be ruled unfit for office for having religious beliefs, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 14:54:49 GMT
I'm being flippant.
I would, of course, vote for the person I felt most fit for the job, but I have a deep-seated unease about religion and the role it has played in the world, and of how it sits in politics in some nations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 18:04:30 GMT
Religion can have all kinds of negative effects. The republic of Ireland and NI are good examples and we on the mainland in a fair number of cases pay for their 'ways'. In someways they are improving. I will be forever grateful that a certain septic church has given up sending missionaries over here to 'save' us. I got immeasurably annoyed by being stopped in the street or bothered on my doorstep by improbably cheerful idiots saying stuff like "hey brother, welcome to jesus"! etc. The moron witnesses are no better though and they exist here. There was talk of a religious observance law here years ago but it's ignored now.
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Post by PG on Jan 20, 2020 12:51:12 GMT
I also think that there is a double standard applied to religions and who says what or does what.
White, Catholic Long-Bailey states her view on late abortion, the "liberal-left" go beserk. Black, African bishop states that homosexuality is non-human, the liberal-left and general establishment figures are strangely quiet. Muslim grooming gangs rape under-age girls, nothing said by hardly anybody.
Go figure as the Yanks would say. For the record, I don't agree with Long-Bailey, nor the Bishops and want all crimes prosecuted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 13:05:47 GMT
Actually they went beyond doing nothing at Muslim gangs grooming white children for sex, the parties investigating stated it was not racial. I know, when it suits etc.
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Post by grampa on Jan 21, 2020 17:18:04 GMT
I'm certainly not a Labour supporter but I do think we need a strong opposition so am desperately hopeful that the Labour dreamers don't go down this route. I'm prepared to be disappointed though..... ^^ This. Thirded. I think there's a growing disconnect between the people who vote for a Labour leader and the people they need to vote Labour. A good start for any labour leader would be to moderate their language and not use words like 'progressive', 'narrative' etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 23:03:38 GMT
They could also stop going down the "We won the argument but people were not listening properly" or "We gave the right message but people did not listen to us". which is a round about way of telling everyone who did not vote for them is stupid. THAT is surely going to get the elected not. Personally speaking, the way they are going they are finished so I hope the limpdampwets get a grip.
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Post by johnc on Jan 22, 2020 7:20:16 GMT
As soon as Labour changed the vote for leader being by MP's to being made by the membership, they were doomed. The membership and the Unions are by definition to the left of politics and probably a good bit further to the left than the majority of Labour MPs (or at least they were before JC started to shuffle the pack and the selection process was "re-aligned"). As a consequence the Labour party are unlikely to field a candidate or have policies which attract a large enough majority in a GE to enable them to gain power - at least not whilst they still firmly believe that their policies are correct and as Mike said, the electorate are wrong. They will need to have another Tony Blair moment to gain enough traction with the electorate but I can't see the current system within the Labour party allowing that to happen. Maybe all the Momentumites need to leave Labour and try to re-kindle the Socialist Workers Party.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 22, 2020 10:31:44 GMT
As soon as Labour changed the vote for leader being by MP's to being made by the membership, they were doomed. The membership and the Unions are by definition to the left of politics and probably a good bit further to the left than the majority of Labour MPs [and voters] This is basically it. It's like trying to make the vociferous on Twitter understand that their point of view is not the one that MUST be adopted and that those that disagree with them are not just fascists.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 22, 2020 13:58:32 GMT
They could also stop going down the "We won the argument but people were not listening properly" or "We gave the right message but people did not listen to us". which is a round about way of telling everyone who did not vote for them is stupid. But unfortunately that kind of comes with the territory with the far left - it always has, right back to the beginning. I'm reminded of Alan Johnson's observation on Election Night in December that the working classes have always been a big disappointment to Momentum types, what with their unaccountable desire to better themselves rather than be content with their lot.
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Post by michael on Jan 22, 2020 14:17:22 GMT
I keep an eye on a couple of Labour groups and the most common line of enquiry is, “how did people get it so wrong?” Their period of reflection doesn’t mean they are looking at themselves.
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