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Post by ChrisM on Nov 20, 2019 8:26:16 GMT
I usually charge my phone battery up in the late evening and it stays off-charge in the "box room" smallest bedroom (my study) overnight. In the morning it has generally lost an indicated 1 or 2% (98 or 99% remaining) - except when I roam. When away in another land, the battery generally loses 20 to 25% of charge overnight.
Any ideas why, and has anyone else noticed this? What suspicious activities are Google, the phone manufacturer or whoever indulging in to use so much power from the battery in those 7 or 8 hours?
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 20, 2019 8:47:12 GMT
I suspect it keeps scanning for its home network. It's a bit like when there isn't any service. The phone keeps scanning for its network and drains the battery quickly. You could try setting it to one particular network manually and see what happens.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2019 9:02:07 GMT
The further away the phone is from a cell tower the more it will boost its power to make contact, to the detriment of battery life. If it's connected to wifi at home it will loose relatively little power compared to a hotel room where it's on 4G roaming.
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Post by Blarno on Nov 20, 2019 9:40:41 GMT
I turn all unnecessary connections off and my battery lasts ages - Bluetooth and GPS location are only on when needed. I did read somewhere about Li Ion phone batteries having non-linear discharge, meaning sometimes they use a full charge in a day, whereas other days it will last into the next day, assuming similar usage.
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2019 10:40:46 GMT
The phone of a guy at work has gone, almost overnight, from a full charge lasting for at least 24 hours to it lasting a couple of hours at best. It got extremely hot during one charge as well.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 20, 2019 10:41:27 GMT
The further away the phone is from a cell tower the more it will boost its power to make contact, to the detriment of battery life. If it's connected to wifi at home it will loose relatively little power compared to a hotel room where it's on 4G roaming. I connect to free hotel wifi when roaming wherever possible... not failed to do so in the past couple of years when roaming (which is not all that often) - and I turn bluetooth and mobile data off too
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 11:02:02 GMT
At Prescott my phone battery takes a nosedive because of the lack of signal. Not as much as its predecessor, a Motorola, that would completely die in a few hours there. I used to have to put it in airplane mode!
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 20, 2019 13:03:25 GMT
I suspect it's a deliberate ploy to make you buy a new phone. Because the rate of progress in phone design and features is starting to be difficult for most normal consumers to notice, and new handsets are very expensive, people are hanging on to their phones for longer and not upgrading automatically at the end of their contract.
I have an 32GB iPhone 7, on which my original 24m contract has just expired, and while I did switch to a new tariff, I resisted the efforts of my network provider to get me to upgrade to an iPhone 11 or XR. Largely because having played around with both in a shop, I just couldn't see much difference, barring a bigger screen and the annoying lack of a home button. And certainly not enough to fork out £7-800 on a replacement.
So the only reason for doing so is battery life and possibly a bigger memory. The battery life on my 7 is definitely not what it used to be and certainly seems to have deteriorated faster than the memory on my previous 5. For example, I probably unplugged it at 8.30am this morning and by 1pm it is at 68%, during which time I probably spent 10mins on WhatsApp, read the news for 20 mins on the tube, and made 2 short phone calls. Not great. And when I check the battery status, it tells me the battery is "significantly degraded and should be replaced".
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 20, 2019 13:04:31 GMT
Also I've noticed that if you are on holiday and use the phone to take lots of photos, that seems to run the battery down extra quickly.
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Post by PG on Nov 20, 2019 13:04:33 GMT
Put the phone on airplane mode overnight in hotels and see what power it loses. Hotel wi-fi is usually incredibly flakey in my experience (and often not very secure either), so your phone may be having to search and reconnect a lot which uses power.
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 20, 2019 13:36:25 GMT
Also I've noticed that if you are on holiday and use the phone to take lots of photos, that seems to run the battery down extra quickly. The phone will be using the GPS whenever the camera is on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 13:39:07 GMT
I suspect it's a deliberate ploy to make you buy a new phone. Because the rate of progress in phone design and features is starting to be difficult for most normal consumers to notice, and new handsets are very expensive, people are hanging on to their phones for longer and not upgrading automatically at the end of their contract. I have an 32GB iPhone 7, on which my original 24m contract has just expired, and while I did switch to a new tariff, I resisted the efforts of my network provider to get me to upgrade to an iPhone 11 or XR. Largely because having played around with both in a shop, I just couldn't see much difference, barring a bigger screen and the annoying lack of a home button. And certainly not enough to fork out £7-800 on a replacement. So the only reason for doing so is battery life and possibly a bigger memory. The battery life on my 7 is definitely not what it used to be and certainly seems to have deteriorated faster than the memory on my previous 5. For example, I probably unplugged it at 8.30am this morning and by 1pm it is at 68%, during which time I probably spent 10mins on WhatsApp, read the news for 20 mins on the tube, and made 2 short phone calls. Not great. And when I check the battery status, it tells me the battery is "significantly degraded and should be replaced". That really isn't great, is it? My Sony is pretty much exactly the same age, and the battery is largely as new. It'll shed 2-3% overnight, and my light usage over a whole day will most likely not take it below 80%.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2019 13:45:31 GMT
I suspect it's a deliberate ploy to make you buy a new phone. Because the rate of progress in phone design and features is starting to be difficult for most normal consumers to notice, and new handsets are very expensive, people are hanging on to their phones for longer and not upgrading automatically at the end of their contract. I have an 32GB iPhone 7, on which my original 24m contract has just expired, and while I did switch to a new tariff, I resisted the efforts of my network provider to get me to upgrade to an iPhone 11 or XR. Largely because having played around with both in a shop, I just couldn't see much difference, barring a bigger screen and the annoying lack of a home button. And certainly not enough to fork out £7-800 on a replacement. So the only reason for doing so is battery life and possibly a bigger memory. The battery life on my 7 is definitely not what it used to be and certainly seems to have deteriorated faster than the memory on my previous 5. For example, I probably unplugged it at 8.30am this morning and by 1pm it is at 68%, during which time I probably spent 10mins on WhatsApp, read the news for 20 mins on the tube, and made 2 short phone calls. Not great. And when I check the battery status, it tells me the battery is "significantly degraded and should be replaced". That really isn't great, is it? My Sony is pretty much exactly the same age, and the battery is largely as new. It'll shed 2-3% overnight, and my light usage over a whole day will most likely not take it below 80%. It depends how many apps you've got running in the background as well. Some need to use your location so need the GPS continually. Some, like email, need to download regularly and if you set this to a frequent interval that can impact battery life, as can having the screen on a bright setting. I've got a Samsung S9 and if everything is running and I'm browsing I'll get 20+ hours out of a charge. Set it in power saving mode where it's basically acting like a phone/SMS, with some email and it'll go 8 days.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 20, 2019 14:34:00 GMT
I'm pretty careful about closing all my apps and I have everything set to minimum battery usage and minimum GPS tracking, but if I know I'm going to be out and about for a while, I often have to pro-actively put the phone in battery saving mode just to make sure it lasts.
Oddly turning it off and on again often regains me 10-20% more indicated battery reserve as if there was something running in the background that has only been stopped by the act of actually switching the phone off.
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Post by michael on Nov 20, 2019 17:45:36 GMT
Oddly turning it off and on again often regains me 10-20% more indicated battery reserve as if there was something running in the background that has only been stopped by the act of actually switching the phone off. This sounds familiar.
I changed my iPhone 6 battery last year because it was doing this but also shutting down, plug it in and it started charging from around 20%. I changed my phone because it was no longer supported for updates but I think that the older processor struggled to handle the newer operating systems and that's what drained the battery.
I have gone to an iPhone 11 and the battery life is substantially better in that I can charge it every other day with the same use. My last phone would likely need plugging in again by early evening. In terms of upgrade cost I was reluctant to spend a fortune but I was paying £20 a month sim only and found a deal where the phone was only £380 up-front (128GB) and then only £25 a month for 5GB of data and unlimited calls and texts. The lack of home button is nothing to be concerned about, it's actually better and the camera is incredible.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 20, 2019 19:19:20 GMT
I'm definitely not going to bother changing battery and probably will go for the 11 in due course, but just not yet.
I only paid about £400 for the 7, so double that for an 11 sticks in the throat somewhat.
None of the deals seemed better than just going to Apple and buying it outright at 0% APR. I also have a friend who works for Apple and if I ask very nicely and not too often, can get a decent discount.
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Post by PG on Nov 20, 2019 21:04:20 GMT
I've got an iPhone 6s that is starting to creek a bit and the battery is running down much quicker than 6 months ago. But as racing said, the price of an 11 does rather shock. Mrs PG upgraded to an 8 last year and it seems pretty much good enough for most stuff.
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Post by Andy C on Nov 20, 2019 22:55:36 GMT
I’ve said it before but The battery life and camera are well worth the upgrade . I went from a 6s and it’s a different league
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 21, 2019 0:19:25 GMT
I've got a power pack. It does 10 empty-full iPhone charges. I very rarely get stressed about charge times / remaining - I know I annihilate my phone every day so just deal with it.
Because the place I am at now does a lot of work in countries outside even the 105 Vodaphone world tariff staff are told to turn their phones on to airplane mode when they board in London and leave it there. Doesn't stop me seeing £500 bills per month because that's too simple for them to comprehend.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 21, 2019 10:43:37 GMT
I've got a power pack. It does 10 empty-full iPhone charges. I very rarely get stressed about charge times / remaining - I know I annihilate my phone every day so just deal with it. I own a power pack. Remembering to (a) charge it and (b) take it with me has proved beyond my limited powers of personal organisation...
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Post by Tim on Nov 21, 2019 17:04:34 GMT
I replaced a 5S with an 11 a few weeks ago but that was due to Cyber Essentials concerns as the 5S is, apparently, no longer getting updates rather than battery life problems.
The 11 is significantly larger than a 5 so I'd make sure you're comfortable with that before you take the plunge.
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Post by clunes on Nov 21, 2019 19:44:32 GMT
I've got a power pack. It does 10 empty-full iPhone charges. I very rarely get stressed about charge times / remaining - I know I annihilate my phone every day so just deal with it. Because the place I am at now does a lot of work in countries outside even the 105 Vodaphone world tariff staff are told to turn their phones on to airplane mode when they board in London and leave it there. Doesn't stop me seeing £500 bills per month because that's too simple for them to comprehend. I have something similar that lives in the laptop bag. An Anker job that comes in handy - especially whilst travelling. On that note I fairly regularly see bills in the 1,000s coming through (albeit far less since we have massive pooled international data rates). The worst we saw was a mobile bill for £130,000 (not a typo). Fortunately we have good relationships with our carriers and they waived the vast majority. This was pre-roaming limits/alerts etc.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 2, 2019 16:57:03 GMT
Well my resistance didn't last long....rather like the battery. Having been out and about most of Saturday and Sunday and finding myself nursing my last precious drops of battery power by about 5pm on both days despite not much use, I lost patience.
So I've just bitten the bullet and ordered a new 64GB 11, which should be ready to collect this evening. Assuming I get the full amount promised by way of trade-in, it should be "only" around £525. Which is bearable.
Nice as the Pro version is, I couldn't justify spending 50% more on one compared to the 11, and the XR wasn't all that much cheaper than the 11 at the end of the day.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 2, 2019 18:25:11 GMT
Well my resistance didn't last long....rather like the battery. Having been out and about most of Saturday and Sunday and finding myself nursing my last precious drops of battery power by about 5pm on both days despite not much use, I lost patience. So I've just bitten the bullet and ordered a new 64GB 11, which should be ready to collect this evening. Assuming I get the full amount promised by way of trade-in, it should be "only" around £525. Which is bearable. Nice as the Pro version is, I couldn't justify spending 50% more on one compared to the 11, and the XR wasn't all that much cheaper than the 11 at the end of the day.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 2, 2019 20:52:10 GMT
Indeed although I was mildly put out in the Apple Store on Regent St to be told that there wasn’t a wide selection of case colours (basically you can have white or black) because the 11 is an “entry level” phone...
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Post by Martin on Dec 2, 2019 21:25:57 GMT
Indeed although I was mildly put out in the Apple Store on Regent St to be told that there wasn’t a wide selection of case colours (basically you can have white or black) because the 11 is an “entry level” phone... Doesn’t matter what colour it is if you put it in a case/cover.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 2, 2019 22:36:54 GMT
The phone itself is black as I didn’t like any of the other colours except red and a red phone was a bit much. It was precisely the cases that only came in white or black. I like the silicon Apple cases even if they are a bit pricey but although they come in a wide range of colours and materials for the 11 Pro and Pro Max, the “humble” 11 is not so blessed. Which is just weird.
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Post by michael on Dec 2, 2019 23:34:25 GMT
I got a Snakehive folding leather case for mine for the bargain price of about £28 and they also posted out a matching key ring.
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Post by Tim on Dec 3, 2019 10:57:52 GMT
The phone itself is black as I didn’t like any of the other colours except red and a red phone was a bit much. Oi! There's nothing wrong with a red iPhone 11 (as long as you put it in a black cover).
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 3, 2019 11:23:12 GMT
I'd go with the red to match my braces.
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