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Post by racingteatray on Aug 7, 2019 11:58:18 GMT
So, out of curiosity, if you were to be in the market for a new car (as in brand-new, not s/hand), what cars currently on sale in your realistic price bracket would you be tempted by and why?
I am slowly starting to think about this as the 4GC has only 16 months left on the PCP so at some stage I'll have to think about whether to keep it or switch.
For me, temptations include (none of which I have tried and it's a motley bag) in increasing order of practicality:
Supra - like the look and sound of this a lot. Obviously would require me to not need more than 2 seats... Mustang V8 - not sensible, but very wantable (mainly in Bullitt trim). M2 Competition/CSL - if I decide more than 2 seats is necessary but 4drs is not. Giulia Quadrifoglio - just because (although S/H would make more sense) Next version of my car (assuming not fugly) - no need to explain RS5 Sportback - like the look of this a lot but would need to try to see if actually desirable CLA45 Shooting Brake - as above, especially if more practicality required Porsche Macan S - only if practicality required, but like the look of these a lot (but like the Giulia, S/H would make more sense) X3 M40i - only if practicality required, but a neighbour has recently acquired one and I have to say it looks very good.
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Post by michael on Aug 7, 2019 12:35:22 GMT
Until recently I was looking for a second car and the M2 CSL was top of the list. An impending house move looks likely to have hammered a nail into that coffin, however.
I'll be changing my car around this time next year when the warranty expires. I might keep it as I really do like it but the list of options looks like this:
Golf GTI + a Citroen Berlingo (or similar combination) Discovery 5 - I can appreciate the good qualities, space, nice to drive, good interior etc. But, I think they're going to work hard on the facelift and I'd like to see what they do with it when that time comes. I suspect that a non facelift will be difficult to move on if they give it the revisions it needs. VW California - space boxes all ticked, I quite like the Edition models. Mercedes GLE / GLS - I quite like the look of them but need to look into the boot. The GLS looks quite promising and I think I'd place it ahead of a Discovery 5.
What I've got my eye but haven't seen: Land Rover Defender - could be my perfect car but obviously an unknown until the reveal. Ford Bronco - as above Project Grenadier - as above
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 7, 2019 12:48:56 GMT
So, out of curiosity, if you were to be in the market for a new car (as in brand-new, not s/hand), what cars currently on sale in your realistic price bracket would you be tempted by and why? I think I've almost covered this in another thread.... X1 ..... better to drive than the Kuga and I think a fraction more loadspace whilst being slightly narrower XC40... a bit expensive for what it is, in AWD diesel auto form. Still rates as highly desirable in online/mag tests XC60... could just about get the base diesel AWD version. Not driven the current shape but have had 3 or 4 of the old shape on various drives, and it's a nice relaxing place to be Focus estate: Not keen on the styling of the latest shape, plus it may be too low for my back to survive getting in and out on a regular basis New 3 series estate: Seems very expensive for what it is, not yet looked to see price and availability of AWD versions Latest Kuga: When it goes on sale??? To my mind it's uglier than the current one and less practical with a steeper sloping rear window cutting down on its versatility Open to suggestions of what else I could consider
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Post by Blarno on Aug 7, 2019 12:51:38 GMT
I can't afford a New new car.
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 7, 2019 12:52:48 GMT
I can't afford a New new car. I can't either except on Finance, but it's an "If you could....." question
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Post by Blarno on Aug 7, 2019 12:55:28 GMT
Probably a Kia Optima estate in diesel auto flavour, mainly for the 7 year warranty.
Other than that, I'll stick with second hand stuff
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 7, 2019 12:58:28 GMT
I can't afford a New new car. Neither can I afford the ones I've listed as outright cash purchases, so this would be again on a PCP/HP basis.
And, in reality, I might well opt for a s/hand car instead, but the idea was to discuss what cars currently on sale that we could conceivably afford floated our respective boats.
Because I was thinking that there weren't that many. Most new cars either leave me completely unmoved or are simply not in the realms of the possible, no matter how much man-maths is applied to the situation.
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Post by Ben on Aug 7, 2019 13:25:41 GMT
I can't afford a New new car. Me too. Well that, and also I've only just gotten my car.
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Post by Tim on Aug 7, 2019 13:53:19 GMT
If I apply a bit of man maths to my list, assume there are offers available, also assume that we move house and don't spend the maximum we can afford thus landing us with a big mortgage repayment jump and finally nominate the Micra as the car due for replacement then the list looks like:-
Supra Mustang - in standard V8 form I'd consider a new 370Z, probably in Nismo form. Er, that's it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 14:09:51 GMT
Nothing in the want one and affordable bracket tbh. Nothing out there actually does anything for me outside of the classic/veteran class. The Dacia are not bad for the money but for my money, why would I?
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Post by grampa on Aug 7, 2019 14:28:56 GMT
Zero in my price range - outside of it but not too ridiculous, the aforementioned Mustang or a MINI Cooper Clubman JCW (the forthcoming 300bhp version).
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 7, 2019 14:35:08 GMT
MINI Cooper Clubman JCW (the forthcoming 300bhp version). I forgot about that. It's also intriguing.
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 7, 2019 14:55:47 GMT
I can't afford a New new car. Me too. Well that, and also I've only just gotten my car. And presumably the fact that in Singapore anything interesting is eye-wateringly expensive.
I'd hate to live in a country which imposed huge taxes on imported cars. I remember many years ago going out with a girl from Barbados, which is another country that does this. Her family was very wealthy and yet because tax on imported cars was so high, especially in luxury ones, her grandfather pootled around the island in a tiny green Japanese hatchback of indeterminate vintage and brand that was referred to by absolutely everyone as the Green Hornet. Apparently he'd previously had an E28 5-series for many years but when it finally died, the outrageous price of a like-for-like replacement annoyed him so much that he decided not to bother.
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Post by Ben on Aug 7, 2019 16:41:15 GMT
Me too. Well that, and also I've only just gotten my car. And presumably the fact that in Singapore anything interesting is eye-wateringly expensive.
I'd hate to live in a country which imposed huge taxes on imported cars. I remember many years ago going out with a girl from Barbados, which is another country that does this. Her family was very wealthy and yet because tax on imported cars was so high, especially in luxury ones, her grandfather pootled around the island in a tiny green Japanese hatchback of indeterminate vintage and brand that was referred to by absolutely everyone as the Green Hornet. Apparently he'd previously had an E28 5-series for many years but when it finally died, the outrageous price of a like-for-like replacement annoyed him so much that he decided not to bother.
True that. As much as I would love a new Golf GTI or MX-5 (two 'reasonably priced' interesting cars) just having a car here is a luxury in itself.
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Post by PG on Aug 7, 2019 16:57:28 GMT
The answer would depend on what was happening to the rest of the fleet.
Chopping the Shogun in for a new Defender has a certain appeal, but that is financially likely to be very unaffordable until there are a good selection of second hand ones in a few years time.
If I'm keeping the Jag, then most likely I'd change the Mini for another daily driver and maybe one a bit bigger if we were going to use it for more longer journeys. That Mini Clubman JCW does sound very interesting. Or, strike me down, a Mini Countryman.
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Post by Martin on Aug 7, 2019 17:09:47 GMT
I’m really struggling with the brief as there’s very little on the market right now that I like, at least there is when you add affordability into the mix. As it’s only just over a year since I last looked, there hasn’t been enough new stuff which doesn’t help either.
The only car anywhere near affordable that I really like is the Panamera, but a basic ‘4’ doesn’t appeal and that’s the only one in budget brand new, the 4S would be better but need to be a year old and what I’d really want is the Turbo, so make that 18 months for an approved used car.
The M5 is a possibility, but without having driven one, I assume it will give me less of what I really need (comfort/refinement) and more of what I don’t need (performance). I didn’t choose an E63 last time, so that’s out and from then on finding an interesting engined saloon for under £80k gets more difficult. The facelift 750i would be ideal if it wasn’t for the grille, although I’ve never been keen of having the same thing twice.
Another way of doing it would be to switch budgets and run something a lot cheaper for work, leaving the bigger budget for evenings/weekends/holidays. That would make the Panamera a more realistic option leaving enough for something like an S4/S5, 540i etc. If I didn’t have 2 kids, I’d be straight down to Porsche to order a 992S, keep the Golf for a bit and swap it with a 6 cylinder petrol saloon.
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Post by LandieMark on Aug 7, 2019 17:22:55 GMT
The only thing that I have a burning want for is a Giulia Quadrifoglio.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 20:05:40 GMT
Nothing really appeals to me right now. I don't need anything big but I do like AWD so I'm stuck with one of the super hatches or a small crossover. I do quite like the X2 in M35i flavour and there is supposed to be a Q3 Sportback with an RS badge announced at Frankfurt. I think that'll be crazy money, though and therefore end up in the irrational purchase pile. I sat in an Alfa Stelvio at Silverstone and the interior was crap so that's out of the window.
I'd also love a Titty Arse before they put it to sleep but not sure one with some nice toys added is in my price range. Second hand is a no go because I'd like one with the normal TT boot spoiler and they're as rare as unicorn shit.
Re: the X2, I've changed my mind. BMW only do ridiculous packages like Mercedes so you can't have lots of stuff individually. Want the HK stereo, that only comes with privacy glass and sports seats! Why put those 3 together in a package?! That and it's 45 grand so I'd be lumbered with high VED for all the time it'd be on my drive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 21:08:03 GMT
Looks like second hand jobbies for most then.
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Post by Stuntman on Aug 7, 2019 21:26:15 GMT
My want list has a decent degree of overlap with Racing's.
The only two on his list I would realistically consider would be the Bullitt Mustang (because it's a V8 and you can have a manual) and the M2 (because it has a reasonably nice engine, reasonably nice chassis, and you can have a manual).
Other than that - 718 GT4 if I obtain an allocation and if I can justify the cost to change. Beyond that, nothing in particular, unless I was adding a third car - which would be a manual hot hatch. Ideally Clio/Mini/A1/Polo/Fiesta sized, but possibly a Golf GTI or Hyundai i30N. I can't get past the styling on the Civic Type R, but my view may change if I were to test drive it. I don't like the Megane enough as a static object either.
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Post by Andy C on Aug 7, 2019 22:04:43 GMT
The only thing that I have a burning want for is a Giulia Quadrifoglio. I had a ride in a Stelvio QF at Silverstone classic. Dan G was driving (he was the only one who had his license), and he really gave it some around the country lanes I never thought in a million years an SUV could go down the road like this thing did . The instructor was saying you have to be very careful with the Guilia in the wet , but in the dry it’s great. The engine is mega . It’s monumentally quick
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Post by Andy C on Aug 7, 2019 22:08:14 GMT
Answer to the question above would probably be an i30n
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Post by Roadsterstu on Aug 7, 2019 23:18:42 GMT
For me, something hot hatchy/estatey, I think. Golf R estate realy does still appeal, but that model is getting on a bit now. 1 Series in new 4 cylinder format has suddenly lost it's appeal over the previous 6, which is daft, I know, given that a 4 cylinder Golf DOES appeal. Hot-ish Skoda? Superb 280 Sportline AWD or next VRS, both remapped to over 300, perhaps. Given that I'm now in a 4 cylinder diesel, I can't see anything significantly quicker in the near future, seeing how relatively cheap to run the dieselly VRS is. Which is a real shame.
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Post by Tim on Aug 8, 2019 9:37:04 GMT
Actually, I have a desire for a Fiesta ST with the caveat that I haven't driven one. I suspect it would be a bit too firm on a lot of the roads around me though, although an extended test drive would prove that either way. It might be a more sensible option to replace the Micra although the downside would be that it'd push the acquisition of a Mustang/370/etc back a couple of years and a part of me feels that time isn't on our side for those sort of purchases.
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Post by johnc on Aug 8, 2019 10:57:12 GMT
I have very little want for anything at the moment (and Martin, the M5 non competition is very comfortable especially on longer journeys but there will be none of your near 40mpg capability)
I suppose I have always wanted a Porsche but the practicality of the 911 or Cayman mean that they are really non starters while children are still around. To be honest I would probably want a Boxster GTS because of the affordability aspect since 911's would require far too many compromises in other aspects of my life (pension contributions being the main one).
The RS4 and RS5 Sportsback were both on my radar when I bought the M5 but the RS4 was unavailable due to the WLTP issues, the RS5 Sportsback wasn't available for another 6 months and the Audi pricing machine appeared to be limiting supply to keep prices well above £70K for even a half decent spec and a lot less equipment than the M5 which was also a good bit cheaper.
We drove an i3 yesterday at PalmerSport, as a fill in between track drives and it is an impressive car for shorter journeys: it is quick, supple but very well controlled in the suspension, very spacious and generally quite a nice place to be. I am sure that in a few years time there will be an electric car that ticks all my requirements. I also looked at the i8 before I bought the M5 but it has even more of a space problem than the Porsche's and it is seriously difficult to get in and out of unless you are extremely flexible and probably a few years younger than me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 11:19:18 GMT
Mine's a proper keeper, so Mrs 12th's will be next for the change - probably not imminent though. I suspect we'll hang on until electric has got past the early-adopter stage, but something like an i3 (but a bit bigger) would be the way to go.
If I were a long way from retirement, the TT-RS intrigues me but I suspect it would be a bit of a disappointment. Now that the fast saloon world is going 4wd though, there would be more choice than there was 12+ years ago.
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Post by johnc on Aug 8, 2019 11:34:38 GMT
Mine's a proper keeper, so Mrs 12th's will be next for the change - probably not imminent though. I suspect we'll hang on until electric has got past the early-adopter stage, but something like an i3 (but a bit bigger) would be the way to go. If I were a long way from retirement, the TT-RS intrigues me but I suspect it would be a bit of a disappointment. Now that the fast saloon world is going 4wd though, there would be more choice than there was 12+ years ago. I spoke to a guy yesterday at Palmersport who has had a whole variety of RS Audis including the current and previous TT-RS's. He liked them but still felt they were a bit soul-less. He now has an M2 Competition which he loves but admits it goes nowhere when it snows or is icy. The RS is a good bit quicker though in a straight line according to him and is a very good daily driver especially if it is driven at up to 90%. It's when trying to extract everything from it that it begins to show some weakness in the chassis and steering. He said it sounded epic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 11:49:32 GMT
This guy is a BMW fanatic and owns an M2 and seems to like it.
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 8, 2019 12:14:56 GMT
I loved that engine in the RS3 Sportback but the rest of the car did less for me. Never been much one for TTs in general but I suppose it's a possibility. I tend to forget it exists though which is a give-away that it's not twanging at my heartstrings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 12:58:32 GMT
The main issue is practicality. Small boot, useless back seats etc.
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