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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 10:24:06 GMT
So, the future chief of the eu is great? Or not. Something stinks in eu land and not just the continued moves to sideline national parliaments (National veto) in favour of the eu central government, not elected, running the whole show.
Someone who cannot run a military organisation running the eu? Really?
No, I understand it is not the whole story and a certain amount of salt is being taken with the article but it is certainly another brick in the wall.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 16, 2019 11:04:56 GMT
I think that in the UK we look at our poor politicians and rightly or wrongly assume that the politicians in Europe are somehow better and more capable - a bit like we look at our British made cars and assume that the German made ones are better. Sadly, all of Europe suffers from poor politicians and the poorest find themselves shipped off to the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 11:28:25 GMT
Poor politicians in the eu, along with the ongoing move towards a federal eu and the huge waste of money. What's to like? A pity our representatives are such arseholes too.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 16, 2019 12:45:17 GMT
I read this article when she was first announced.
And it is a salient read. Whether she has the talents to do Juncker's job is up for debate. We may or may not find out, depending on whether she gets voted through. I was, however, not a fan of the Spitzenkanditat process by any stretch - that really did strike me as "jobs for the boys" - so happy it went to someone else.
I did, however, note that the article curiously omits the rather key point that, in Germany, the defence ministry has long been considered the graveyard of many a promising ministerial career, suggesting that she is hardly alone in failing to get on top of Germany's many defence-related problems. That seems to me to be a deliberate omission in an article designed to be an attack piece. Ergo, I'd take it with some pinch of salt.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 16, 2019 13:08:20 GMT
Much as I dislike Trump, one thing he is correct on is that the Germans need to get their act together and start pulling their weight in NATO. The 2% of GDP would be a start (same for us as we currently fudge the figure with pensions).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 13:27:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 1:10:57 GMT
So, she got 9 more votes than needed to lead the eu, a definite reason for not remaining for me.
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Post by johnc on Jul 17, 2019 8:18:41 GMT
So, she got 9 more votes than needed to lead the eu, a definite reason for not remaining for me. But leaving doesn't mean we have nothing more to do with the EU. In fact it probably means we have to have strong ties and a good working relationship if we are going to have a decent trade deal so we had better be nice to her. We can't rely on a trade deal with the USA because the Donald will only agree to a deal if it favours the USA - to him, that's a fair deal. As I have said previously we have left the large ship which wasn't in great shape and have climbed into a tiny lifeboat in stormy seas so this is not an easy option. We had better have a bloody good captain and a loyal crew who put every ounce of effort into our survival because there will be no room for freeloaders and anyone who thinks this will be fair sailing is deluded.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 17, 2019 9:47:49 GMT
So, she got 9 more votes than needed to lead the eu, a definite reason for not remaining for me. But leaving doesn't mean we have nothing more to do with the EU. In fact it probably means we have to have strong ties and a good working relationship if we are going to have a decent trade deal so we had better be nice to her. We can't rely on a trade deal with the USA because the Donald will only agree to a deal if it favours the USA - to him, that's a fair deal. As I have said previously we have left the large ship which wasn't in great shape and have climbed into a tiny lifeboat in stormy seas so this is not an easy option. We had better have a bloody good captain and a loyal crew who put every ounce of effort into our survival because there will be no room for freeloaders and anyone who thinks this will be fair sailing is deluded. That's a little bit extreme. We've got off a large ship and onto a smaller ship (I'm thinking less lifeboat, more North Sea ferry). Hopefully not MS Herald of Free Enterprise...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 10:23:42 GMT
What I wrote was a pun, a play on word to an extent. Just as the remainers have oft stated that the majority to leave was only small so, we should have another 'confirmatory' referendum. Something the other current eu nations endorse btw.
Do they have another vote for the post because the result was so close? Or does that not suit?
She is heavily into a federal eu and wanting to run the resulting nation. Currently the eu is not a nation which even Juncker and co admitted but, why have an eu NA when it is not a nation etc etc.
We should be able to leave freely due to the current eu and its future direction NOT being what we signed up for anyway.
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Post by PG on Jul 18, 2019 18:39:42 GMT
I see that 50.9% of MEP's voted her into the job. Surely that means the vote should be re-run?
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Post by johnc on Jul 19, 2019 11:48:54 GMT
I had an interesting chat with a Kiwi last night. He reckons that the UK's exit from the EU will be similar to what happened to NZ when we joined the EC. He said that overnight they could no longer economically send their lamb to the UK and most of the rest of the exporting economy they had was about exporting to the UK and other Commonwealth countries.
He said it hit them very hard economically and it took at least 10 years before they had managed to establish markets elsewhere and start to claw their way back. Apparently a lot of the negative comments and feelings about the UK from both NZ and Aus arise from this abandonment which many of the older generation feel was too harsh on them.
However he says they are now a stronger country because of it with a more diverse and resilient economy.
Not even God knows where all this is leading us!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 19, 2019 12:06:27 GMT
I had an interesting chat with a Kiwi last night. He reckons that the UK's exit from the EU will be similar to what happened to NZ when we joined the EC. He said that overnight they could no longer economically send their lamb to the UK and most of the rest of the exporting economy they had was about exporting to the UK and other Commonwealth countries. He said it hit them very hard economically and it took at least 10 years before they had managed to establish markets elsewhere and start to claw their way back. Apparently a lot of the negative comments and feelings about the UK from both NZ and Aus arise from this abandonment which many of the older generation feel was too harsh on them.
However he says they are now a stronger country because of it with a more diverse and resilient economy. Not even God knows where all this is leading us! My grandfather used to go on about this all the time, about how we had abandoned NZ and Aus when we went into the EEC. He was deeply ashamed that the people who had fought with him in WW2 were treated this way. But you're right NZ agriculture now is in a much stronger place due to the fact they now grow things people want to buy, rather than what gives them the biggest subsidies.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 19, 2019 12:17:18 GMT
I still remember Raewyn Blade advertising NZ lamb on the telly.......
I still miss NZ lamb, our British stuff like our beef seems so tough in comparison
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 19, 2019 13:12:04 GMT
I still remember Raewyn Blade advertising NZ lamb on the telly....... I still miss NZ lamb, our British stuff like our beef seems so tough in comparison Clearly you are buying your meat from the wrong place. British beef and lamb is among the very best in world and raised with the very highest welfare standards anywhere. Our local butcher stocks meat from local farms, slaughtered in a small slaughter house in the next village. We also have plenty of farm shops and small producers selling direct from the farm at very reasonable prices. There are places like this all over the country which you should be able to discover with a small amount of googling. Always interesting if you can see the farm where the stock was raised and speak to the owner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 13:26:07 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 19, 2019 17:36:06 GMT
I still remember Raewyn Blade advertising NZ lamb on the telly....... I still miss NZ lamb, our British stuff like our beef seems so tough in comparison Clearly you are buying your meat from the wrong place. British beef and lamb is among the very best in world and raised with the very highest welfare standards anywhere. Our local butcher stocks meat from local farms, slaughtered in a small slaughter house in the next village. We also have plenty of farm shops and small producers selling direct from the farm at very reasonable prices. There are places like this all over the country which you should be able to discover with a small amount of googling. Always interesting if you can see the farm where the stock was raised and speak to the owner. Indeed. I've eaten South Devon x Angus beef from stock I've looked after. It was delicious and tender.
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Post by Martin on Jul 19, 2019 19:06:52 GMT
Clearly you are buying your meat from the wrong place. British beef and lamb is among the very best in world and raised with the very highest welfare standards anywhere. Our local butcher stocks meat from local farms, slaughtered in a small slaughter house in the next village. We also have plenty of farm shops and small producers selling direct from the farm at very reasonable prices. There are places like this all over the country which you should be able to discover with a small amount of googling. Always interesting if you can see the farm where the stock was raised and speak to the owner. Indeed. I've eaten South Devon x Angus beef from stock I've looked after. It was delicious and tender. There’s a world of difference between the meat from Bobby our local butcher than anything you get from the supermarket.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 19, 2019 20:33:31 GMT
Here are some well grown beasts...
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Post by Andy C on Jul 19, 2019 22:20:52 GMT
I still remember Raewyn Blade advertising NZ lamb on the telly....... I still miss NZ lamb, our British stuff like our beef seems so tough in comparison Order yourself any lamb from my Local butchers and tell me you still miss NZ lamb frankparkerbutchers.co.uk/product-category/lamb/I’d also try the sausages and rump steaks whilst your there
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