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Post by ChrisM on Jul 4, 2019 14:40:51 GMT
Hardly surprising, is it, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48865702when incentives to purchase and run a LEV are reduced to zero. When an i3Rex and Mustang V8 cost the same to tax each year, which would you rather have ? |
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Post by johnc on Jul 4, 2019 15:00:12 GMT
The sting might come when fuel duty rises to even more ridiculous heights or road tax is £1,000 a year
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 15:11:07 GMT
I am sure they will come up with something to further attack ICE ownership, like reduce all cars with an ICE to a single cylinder of .25 horsepower or something like. Logic defying anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 21:11:25 GMT
The government will put a fuel tax on car chargers. The only way around it will be to trickle charge your EV from a 13A socket and that'll only add about 10 miles onto your range overnight.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 4, 2019 21:56:06 GMT
Once electric vehicles take hold we'll move from fuel tax to pay by the mile.
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Post by johnc on Jul 5, 2019 7:58:30 GMT
Once electric vehicles take hold we'll move from fuel tax to pay by the mile. I agree and it fits in nicely with the speed limiters and constant tracking of every journey which will be available in all new cars from 2021! The Government wanted road pricing about 10 years ago and it was stopped because of the massive intrusion that being tracked would bring - they have just brought it in by the back door claiming it is now a safety issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 8:27:47 GMT
Safety, that old tax.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 11:11:50 GMT
I'll just change to an electric bike instead when that happens.
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Post by PG on Jul 5, 2019 13:01:36 GMT
The figures I saw showed that plug-in PHEV sales fell (by 50% year to year) and BEV sales rose, but that left an overall fall for Low Emission Vehicles. . This is pretty much as the government withdrew the rebate for plug-ins and as already said, jacked up their road tax.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 5, 2019 16:39:42 GMT
The withdrawal of the government rebate will certainly have had some effect, but I think that people have also come to realise that PHEVs are not nearly as economical in real life as the quoted MPG figures suggest. My company has a few PHEVs on the fleet and they have become very expensive to run. We have now gone back to diesel and so I have my A4 which does 60+ MPG all day long.
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Post by Martin on Jul 5, 2019 16:54:06 GMT
The withdrawal of the government rebate will certainly have had some effect, but I think that people have also come to realise that PHEVs are not nearly as economical in real life as the quoted MPG figures suggest. My company has a few PHEVs on the fleet and they have become very expensive to run. We have now gone back to diesel and so I have my A4 which does 60+ MPG all day long. They still make a lot of sense for company car drivers, particularly as list prices increase. A 530e with a list price of around £50k is significantly cheaper than a similar diesel, which is why most of my team have one. Economy isn’t bad if you let the car decide when to deploy the electric power, even if you don’t plug it in and a 4 pot petrol os slightly preferable to a 4 pot diesel. The range is dreadful though, would drive me mad. |
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Post by Tim on Jul 8, 2019 9:01:26 GMT
I've just submitted he P11Ds for our firm and diesel is taking quite a hit, I think the charge went up by 3% this year and its going up for the next couple of years too.
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Post by johnc on Jul 8, 2019 9:14:23 GMT
I've just submitted he P11Ds for our firm and diesel is taking quite a hit, I think the charge went up by 3% this year and its going up for the next couple of years too. But the demand for used diesels under £20K is still strong according to my dealer clients - they say the man in the street is looking for 45/50mpg with decent performance and small petrols don't cut it. |
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Post by Tim on Jul 8, 2019 9:32:23 GMT
I've just submitted he P11Ds for our firm and diesel is taking quite a hit, I think the charge went up by 3% this year and its going up for the next couple of years too. But the demand for used diesels under £20K is still strong according to my dealer clients - they say the man in the street is looking for 45/50mpg with decent performance and small petrols don't cut it. Yup and as I've said to a couple of friends, if you want a used 2 litre BMW 3 series, for example, then good luck finding a petrol. I don't know what the proportion of diesels was 3 years ago but it must be at least 20:1. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 8, 2019 9:39:13 GMT
But the demand for used diesels under £20K is still strong according to my dealer clients - they say the man in the street is looking for 45/50mpg with decent performance and small petrols don't cut it. Yup and as I've said to a couple of friends, if you want a used 2 litre BMW 3 series, for example, then good luck finding a petrol. I don't know what the proportion of diesels was 3 years ago but it must be at least 20:1. When I was short-term leasing from BMW all the cars I was getting were 2.0 diesels. After about mid-2018 they were all coming through as 2.0 litre petrols, so expect to see many more 320is on dealer forecourts in the next year or so. Edit: In fact I've just had a look on Autotrader and there are loads of nearly new, low mileage 320is, with numbers almost equaling diesels, so it's already happening. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 8, 2019 12:44:27 GMT
The withdrawal of the government rebate will certainly have had some effect, but I think that people have also come to realise that PHEVs are not nearly as economical in real life as the quoted MPG figures suggest. My company has a few PHEVs on the fleet and they have become very expensive to run. We have now gone back to diesel and so I have my A4 which does 60+ MPG all day long. They still make a lot of sense for company car drivers, particularly as list prices increase. A 530e with a list price of around £50k is significantly cheaper than a similar diesel, which is why most of my team have one. Economy isn’t bad if you let the car decide when to deploy the electric power, even if you don’t plug it in and a 4 pot petrol os slightly preferable to a 4 pot diesel. The range is dreadful though, would drive me mad. I suppose it depends how they are being used. I have people who are in Devon one day and Scotland the next, spending three or four nights per week in a hotel. Stopping to plug in, even if they could find somewhere to do so, is just not on the agenda, so they end up just driving a petrol car hindered by heavy batteries and a small tank. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 8, 2019 12:48:46 GMT
..... so they end up just driving a petrol car hindered by heavy batteries and a small tank. How do they manage to drive 2 vehicles at the same time?? I'll get my coat....... |
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Post by Martin on Jul 8, 2019 12:58:22 GMT
They still make a lot of sense for company car drivers, particularly as list prices increase. A 530e with a list price of around £50k is significantly cheaper than a similar diesel, which is why most of my team have one. Economy isn’t bad if you let the car decide when to deploy the electric power, even if you don’t plug it in and a 4 pot petrol os slightly preferable to a 4 pot diesel. The range is dreadful though, would drive me mad. I suppose it depends how they are being used. I have people who are in Devon one day and Scotland the next, spending three or four nights per week in a hotel. Stopping to plug in, even if they could find somewhere to do so, is just not on the agenda, so they end up just driving a petrol car hindered by heavy batteries and a small tank. Oh I agree and it would drive me mad, I’ve added it to the list of reasons / justification / man maths for not opting back into the company car scheme. A colleague has just ordered an A6 Avant diesel, it’s costing him nearly £3k a year more in tax vs getting a 530e or equivalent E Class. That’s a lot of money for longer range and a bigger boot. |
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Post by Tim on Jul 8, 2019 15:41:07 GMT
Yup and as I've said to a couple of friends, if you want a used 2 litre BMW 3 series, for example, then good luck finding a petrol. I don't know what the proportion of diesels was 3 years ago but it must be at least 20:1. When I was short-term leasing from BMW all the cars I was getting were 2.0 diesels. After about mid-2018 they were all coming through as 2.0 litre petrols, so expect to see many more 320is on dealer forecourts in the next year or so. Edit: In fact I've just had a look on Autotrader and there are loads of nearly new, low mileage 320is, with numbers almost equaling diesels, so it's already happening. I saw that but its not much use to people shopping one in the £10-15k range. |
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 8, 2019 18:14:36 GMT
Once electric vehicles take hold we'll move from fuel tax to pay by the mile. Yes, that's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
I'm quite tempted by a Bullitt Mustang as a last hurrah before going electric.
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Post by Stuntman on Jul 8, 2019 20:39:05 GMT
Yes, that's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
I'm quite tempted by a Bullitt Mustang as a last hurrah before going electric.
I agree with you on the Bullitt Mustang temptation front. Without wishing it ill, if my M3 died in the relatively near future, that's what its replacement would be. |
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Post by grampa on Jul 15, 2019 8:56:47 GMT
Once electric vehicles take hold we'll move from fuel tax to pay by the mile. Yes, that's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
I'm quite tempted by a Bullitt Mustang as a last hurrah before going electric.
You'd have to be incredibly naive to believe that governments won't need to replace the income currently generated from fuel duty and VED. In the meantime, I'm hanging on to the Scirocco long term - I'll see how the electric MINI pans out and may consider one in a few years once the model range has matured. |
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