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Post by johnc on Jun 20, 2019 16:17:52 GMT
I got this from a Croner newsletter I receive.
Do Politicians go to a special school where they learn to say lots and f*** all at the same time. How difficult and expensive is this going to be to implement. Total madness.
"The amendments to the Transport (Scotland) Bill, proposed by John Finnie MSP, would give Scottish local authorities the powers to introduce a workplace parking levy (WPL), although it does allow for exemptions for all NHS sites, GP surgeries and hospices as well as blue badge holders, although police stations and schools would have to pay.
The workplace parking levy is a tax charge on premises and companies, not individuals or specific professions and would be operated by local authorities through a licensing scheme. The amount of the levy would be determined by the number of eligible parking spaces provided at a workplace, with the local authority setting the charge per space in the licensing scheme. Although business owners will be charged the levy, they could pass on their costs to employees.
The provisions set out in the draft Finnie amendment would ‘provide discretionary powers for local authorities to establish a WPL scheme, a devolved revenue-raising measure which promotes local decision making and allows councils to implement initiatives that best work with the specific considerations of their area’.
There is also provision that all excess profits raised from the schemes should be reinvested in public transport initiatives, while a penalty scheme would operate for non-compliance with licensing requirements.
‘Such measures have the potential to encourage modal shift towards public and sustainable transport and to enhance transport infrastructure and services in local areas, to the benefit of those who do not primarily travel by car,’ Finnie said. ‘In drafting these amendments, an approach has been taken to ensure that WPLs are viewed in a strategic local context and in alignment with other transport initiatives.’
The Scottish parliament’s Connectivity Committee is now considering amendments to the Bill and is reviewing responses to a recent survey to gather public reaction to the proposals. Nearly 5,000 responses were received, with 80% of business respondents to the survey opposed to the plans, but six in 10 individuals if favour.
Opposition to the proposals centred on the high level of tax already charged to motorists and to Scottish taxpayers generally, lack of Scottish government impact assessment of the benefits of such charges and a lack of public transport infrastructure and services.
Brian Strutton, general secretary of the British Air Pilots Association (BALPA), representing professional pilots, wrote an open letter of finance secretary Derek Mackay MSP, expressing concerns about the introduction of the workplace parking levy. ‘Travelling by public transport to the airport for many is essentially impossible if pilots are to fulfil their professional obligations.
‘Report times in the very early hours of the morning are not uncommon when public transport is unlikely to be a realistic option for many, possibly outside of city centres.’
There was also criticism that workplace car parks were already subject to business rates, so the parking charge is effectively double taxation for businesses, and a cost that is likely to be passed on to employees.
Those in favour saw the measure as a way to reduce traffic congestion as well as bringing environmental benefits. including reducing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, and encouraging use of public transport.
Nottingham is the only council to have passed a local parking tax so far in the UK.
Transport (Scotland) Bill is at Stage 2 amendments."
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Post by Tim on Jun 20, 2019 16:46:07 GMT
Arseholes. We're paying £980 p.a. in rates for a single space at our Edinburgh office.
That's one-fifth of what we're paying for rates for the actual office itself, which houses 10 people comfortably.
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Post by johnc on Jun 20, 2019 17:04:52 GMT
I wonder what will happen with the likes of B&Q in a retail park. I bet all their staff use the spaces out front - are they provided by the employer? If they want more money why not just put Rates up 5% or whatever. No-one wants it but it would be a damn site cheaper to collect and simpler to administer. Another 10 years of tax rises and Scotland will be a ghost country.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 20, 2019 17:33:15 GMT
If you have a parking space at work you're one of the elite and need to be punished.
Comrades north of the border should be cycling to work on The Peoples' Revolutionary Bicycle or travel by The Revolutionary Workers' Omnibus. Waiting list for the bikes opens Tuesday.
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Post by johnc on Jun 20, 2019 18:03:34 GMT
If you have a parking space at work you're one of the elite and need to be punished. Comrades north of the border should be cycling to work on The Peoples' Revolutionary Bicycle or travel by The Revolutionary Workers' Omnibus. Waiting list for the bikes opens Tuesday. No doubt driving an M5 is punishable by summary execution (after paying my parking fee) but only if they can catch me!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 22:00:04 GMT
Comrades north of the border should be cycling to work on The Peoples' Revolutionary Bicycle or travel by The Revolutionary Workers' Omnibus. Waiting list for the bikes opens Tuesday. That or paying for prescriptions...
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Post by Alex on Jun 20, 2019 22:51:11 GMT
What about out of town office parks where you can only arrive by car unless you’re willing to take two trains and three buses over the space of four hours? Or as others have said, retail parks. How do they determine what is a staff space and a public space and will the likes of Tesco just open up the staff car park to the public to avoid the tax? Other sites also have staff that work nights such as data centres.
I understand the principle of wanting to get people out of cars but this plan will just upset businesses and make them think twice about locating to an area with the charge or existing companies fiddling it. Apparently Boots extended the car park at their Nottingham head office so that it spread into a different postcode area to avoid the charge that Nottingham City Council’s imposed.
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Post by humphreythepug on Jun 21, 2019 5:43:58 GMT
Wonder how they this would work at car dealerships and in particular the staff who take home demo's (me), arrive in the morning and just dump the demo wherever there is a gap.
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Post by johnc on Jun 21, 2019 6:48:13 GMT
Comrades north of the border should be cycling to work on The Peoples' Revolutionary Bicycle or travel by The Revolutionary Workers' Omnibus. Waiting list for the bikes opens Tuesday. That or paying for prescriptions... Don't get drawn in by the propaganda and take a one dimensional view. I pay over £1,500 more a year in tax because I live in Scotland (as well as paying higher Council Tax, having higher heating bills and crapper roads). I reckon that covers the cost of the few prescriptions I might have and a whole load more besides.
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 21, 2019 7:09:36 GMT
It's ludicrous; parking spaces etc should be included in the business rates/taxation and not added on additionally as well.
Next thing you know, they will be taxing the air that we breathe. Time for a revolution against our idiotic politicians and councillors
They cut out decent rail services in the 1960s following the Beeching Report, forcing many people into cars then significantly increased motoring taxes forcing people to pay even more in tax and they won't seem to stop, introducing new taxes whenever they can instead of simplifying the tax system and reducing taxation
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Post by Alex on Jun 21, 2019 8:12:29 GMT
It's ludicrous; parking spaces etc should be included in the business rates/taxation and not added on additionally as well. Next thing you know, they will be taxing the air that we breathe. Time for a revolution against our idiotic politicians and councillors They cut out decent rail services in the 1960s following the Beeching Report, forcing many people into cars then significantly increased motoring taxes forcing people to pay even more in tax and they won't seem to stop, introducing new taxes whenever they can instead of simplifying the tax system and reducing taxation Perhaps instead of spending so much money upgrading the countries motorways to smart motorways they should put it towards better rail infrastructure that allows freight to be taken off the arterial routes and onto an electrified railway. Motorway capacity would be increased by the decreased amount of lorries using them.
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Post by Tim on Jun 21, 2019 10:13:01 GMT
The idea of using this as social engineering is great but only if the whole population lives in major towns and cities.
If you live in the sticks - as I do and would like to continue - then you absolutely NEED a car.
My 13 mile commute takes about 25 minutes most mornings. To do it by public transport would require a bus journey followed by the train. I haven't looked at how well the 2 modes integrate but the train I'd have to get would require me at the station by 7:45. God knows if the bus actually runs early enough for that. Plus my work is less than 5 minutes walk from the station. If I worked at ANY of the industrial estates in Dundee then I'd need a further bus journey - or 2 - to get to them and I expect the train arriving at 8:20 wouldn't be early enough.
I know that it could be done but you can't suddenly go from a century's worth of the convenience of personal motorised transportation to a poorly set up public transport system overnight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 10:52:08 GMT
The joy of those who decide these things is they get cabs and cars paid for by government funds which makes transport easier. Should they have to do as the plebs do, we might get different policies/plans. Not really possible is it?
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 21, 2019 11:13:26 GMT
If you have a parking space at work you're one of the elite and need to be punished. Comrades north of the border should be cycling to work on The Peoples' Revolutionary Bicycle or travel by The Revolutionary Workers' Omnibus. Waiting list for the bikes opens Tuesday.
Yes, silly Socialist nonsense.
It also unfairly penalises anyone who doesn't live in an urban area.
Most of these plans are dreamt up by urbanites who have no idea what it means to live in villages without public transport links, or how much train fares cost.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 21, 2019 12:11:33 GMT
If you have a parking space at work you're one of the elite and need to be punished. Comrades north of the border should be cycling to work on The Peoples' Revolutionary Bicycle or travel by The Revolutionary Workers' Omnibus. Waiting list for the bikes opens Tuesday.
Most of these plans are dreamt up by out of touch politicians who have no idea what it means to live in the real world or how much it costs.
FYP. These politicians just cannot help themselves from churning out nonsensical ideas, can they? I wonder if he drives to work or gets the train every day?
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Post by johnc on Jun 21, 2019 13:07:20 GMT
Here's another cracker from Glasgow City Council:
"Sunday Parking Charges come into effect from Sunday 30 June.
All meters and Ringo parking will be set up to take payments from that date.
The new regulations will make Sunday on-street parking more frequently available to shoppers, visitors, tourists, blue badge holders and residents alike. Improved parking regulations are known to reduce congestion and this in turn should improve air quality in the city centre.
Encouraging greater use of sustainable transport within the city centre is a key theme within the recent reports by the Connectivity Commission. The new measures for Sunday parking are part of our efforts to meet the Commission’s vision of a reformed city centre transport system.
As part of the new measures, a number of taxi ranks will be extended or introduced across the city centre to provide further alternative options for people travelling to and from town.
Signage that highlights the new measures is currently being installed across the city centre, but enforcement will not commence until Sunday, June 30. "
Sunday parking in Glasgow has always been free and it means the shops, restaurants etc get good trade and the public gets easy access. When my wife read this today she said "well we just won't go in to town on a Sunday then". I wonder how the hard up shopkeepers feel about this.
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 21, 2019 13:53:46 GMT
Here's another cracker from Glasgow City Council: (snip) Sunday parking in Glasgow has always been free and it means the shops, restaurants etc get good trade and the public gets easy access. When my wife read this today she said "well we just won't go in to town on a Sunday then". I wonder how the hard up shopkeepers feel about this. We had a similar issue a few years back, a majority of town centre parking was free on a Sunday then the council introduced charges. What has happened since is that people park on the single yellow lines as close as they can to the town centre on Sundays to avoid paying, but introduce a bit of congestion with cars on the roads trying to fight their way past the parked vehicles
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Post by Alex on Jun 21, 2019 19:28:47 GMT
Same in Horsham, it used to be free but has been replaced by a £1.50 daily rate. Not a lot but enough to stop you just popping in for an hour or stopping to visit a single shop. Thus by not popping in the shops no longer have the opportunity to persuade you to make a rash purchase.
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Post by johnc on Jun 22, 2019 10:23:13 GMT
Same in Horsham, it used to be free but has been replaced by a £1.50 daily rate. Not a lot but enough to stop you just popping in for an hour or stopping to visit a single shop. Thus by not popping in the shops no longer have the opportunity to persuade you to make a rash purchase. In Glasgow city centre the meters are £1 for 12 minutes or £1 for 15 mins, Monday to Saturday. I reckon they will just replicate those charges on a Sunday.
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Post by Boxer6 on Jun 22, 2019 12:13:29 GMT
Same in Horsham, it used to be free but has been replaced by a £1.50 daily rate. Not a lot but enough to stop you just popping in for an hour or stopping to visit a single shop. Thus by not popping in the shops no longer have the opportunity to persuade you to make a rash purchase. In Glasgow city centre the meters are £1 for 12 minutes or £1 for 15 mins, Monday to Saturday. I reckon they will just replicate those charges on a Sunday. If you're at the North side of Sauchiehall St, you can park in a bay at Dundasvale/Stewart Street for 20p first 30 minutes then 20p/10 minutes thereafter. I'm usually only parked there when visiting patients for an hour, so £1 is OK for me, plus I get it back on expenses. I've parked down there on weekends too, as there are always spaces and it's pretty safe. Might think differently if I was driving a new M5 though!!!
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Post by Tim on Jun 24, 2019 8:18:22 GMT
We usually park in Cambridge St multi-storey if we're in the city centre and its never been too expensive although it has usually been in the evening while we're at gigs.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 25, 2019 9:16:36 GMT
More taxis? But aren't they just diesel cars, MPVs and SUVs? That are apparently really bad if they are used by the rest of us?
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Post by PG on Jun 26, 2019 19:28:00 GMT
Somebody needs to explain to these politicians, in simple terms that even they can understand, that the childhood tale about being unable to get the genie back in the bottle is real in life too. Motorised transport was invented, people like it and use it, we can't un-invent it or make it disappear, no matter how much left wing politicians might wish that was the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 10:00:43 GMT
What they can do is try to make it impossible for the average citizen to afford personal mobility. How they get in long enough to achieve that is another matter come election time. One party or other would oppose the attempt just to garner votes.
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Post by PG on Jun 27, 2019 19:56:06 GMT
What they can do is try to make it impossible for the average citizen to afford personal mobility. How they get in long enough to achieve that is another matter come election time. One party or other would oppose the attempt just to garner votes. How they manage is that I don't think any election has ever been decided on explicitly written transport policy alone. So fuzzy references to more sustainable transport, pollution control and other nebulous things are then used as cover to fuck people over for money and demonise something that most people have no choice about - owning and driving a car.
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