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Post by racingteatray on Apr 4, 2019 14:08:05 GMT
So what's going to be the result in your view of the Demented Headmistress' romantic dates with Grandpa Marxist?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 4, 2019 14:30:02 GMT
They really are the dream team aren't they? I can't see this going anywhere as Corbyn's only aim is to secure a GE as soon as possible. He's blinkered to that and if he can keep his party voting against anything she brings forward he will keep nudging closer and closer to that scenario.
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Post by Tim on Apr 4, 2019 14:32:32 GMT
It's been a long time coming but I don't see them being able to come to any sort of common ground, she's been absolutely unwilling to compromise on any of her 'red lines' despite suffering some massive defeats. That doesn't suggest she will change her approach now.
I can't really understand the frothing at the mouth about it from some sections of the Tory party - they're running a minority government, haven't fully supported the proposal, have failed to come up with a sensible alternative suggestion and have driven the whole thing into a dead end with no obvious solution without making some dramatic change, an approach that hasn't appeared forthcoming.
One of them was on the radio yesterday saying that parliament had voted something down (I can't remember what it was, there have been so many votes) by a majority of 36. Can't they just be honest and stand up and say that it shows that some of their alleged colleagues have voted against whatever it was?
One of the biggest worries to me out of all of this is that we get some initial deal to come out of Europe, May stands down and either a lunatic right wing Tory gets in and torpedoes the whole thing in a burning bridges way leading to economic turmoil or we get an election and some equally lunatic old man surrounded by left wing zealots gets in and fucks up the whole economy.
Meanwhile there are too many politicians, particularly in a blue tie, waffling on about 'preserving the Union' for fear of upsetting a small cluster of extremist Irish people while conveniently ignoring the 2nd largest section of the Union that voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU.
If they want an independent Scotland they're going the right way about it.
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Post by michael on Apr 4, 2019 15:01:16 GMT
It allows some of the blame to be shifted and in the same vein allows options to be brought to the table 'because of Corbyn' such as a second vote which I think it increasingly likely.
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Post by Tim on Apr 4, 2019 15:04:14 GMT
She's doing her successor a massive favour, Corbyn and Labour will be the bogeymen by the start of the summer and the Tories will have quietly reunited (until the next Europe based argument kicks off!).
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Post by michael on Apr 4, 2019 15:19:34 GMT
Here's hoping!
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 4, 2019 16:27:56 GMT
I can't really understand the frothing at the mouth about it from some sections of the Tory party Really? I'm given to understand that it's not especially unusual for lunatics to froth at the mouth...
I'm not holding out hope. I too am of the view that it's yet another ruse by May and I hope Corbyn (or Starmer) has the wits to handle it accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 17:49:43 GMT
Another thoroughly pointless attempt to make remain look like brexit. A great pity the raving loony party has morphed into labour AND conservative partly's.
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Post by Alex on Apr 4, 2019 18:38:04 GMT
It’s all pointless because the commons still doesn’t know what it wants and so how will these two coming together make any difference. I cannot see a general election making much difference either because who do we vote for when no political party can agree on what they stand for or what form of brexit they want to implement. It just feels that the whole political process is gummed up with infighting, pettiness and lies. It’s completely put me off politics and tbh I don’t think I’d want to vote for anybody right now,
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 4, 2019 21:02:55 GMT
It’s all pointless because the commons still doesn’t know what it wants and so how will these two coming together make any difference. I cannot see a general election making much difference either because who do we vote for when no political party can agree on what they stand for or what form of brexit they want to implement. It just feels that the whole political process is gummed up with infighting, pettiness and lies. It’s completely put me off politics and tbh I don’t think I’d want to vote for anybody right now, I honestly think it has been that way for, well, forever really. It's just that recent events have made it even more obvious and transparent (yet oddly, less punishable, somehow) than ever before.
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Post by Tim on Apr 5, 2019 8:22:02 GMT
I can't really understand the frothing at the mouth about it from some sections of the Tory party Really? I'm given to understand that it's not especially unusual for lunatics to froth at the mouth...
I can understand it perfectly. I just don't understand the brass neck of people like these (not just in politics) who complain vigorously about something they have some element of control over. I hope that behind closed doors their hypocrisy has been clearly pointed out to them.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 8, 2019 17:40:24 GMT
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Post by scouse on Apr 9, 2019 12:43:58 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 9, 2019 13:03:21 GMT
I think it is an exciting opportunity to do things differently. We won't though.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 9, 2019 13:11:12 GMT
"I think it is an exciting opportunity to do things differently."
Sounds like an estate agent trying to sell a particularly unattractive house!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 9, 2019 13:13:08 GMT
" I think it is an exciting opportunity to do things differently." Sounds like an estate agent trying to sell a particularly unattractive house! I was thinking more like being left with the ugly bird when the lights come on at closing time in a night club.
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Post by scouse on Apr 12, 2019 15:19:36 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 15, 2019 21:46:36 GMT
Ruth Lea is barking! Have you seen her on TV?
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 16, 2019 7:59:30 GMT
And then Corbyn defends Shamima Begums right to apply for Legal Aid.
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Post by Tim on Apr 16, 2019 8:34:34 GMT
And then Corbyn defends Shamima Begums right to apply for Legal Aid. He's not daft you know - in clearly trying every trick in the book to ensure he DOESN'T get elected he can be certain he won't be left holding any post-Brexit economic hand grenade. I'm sure that's his strategy
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Post by Alex on Apr 16, 2019 15:51:45 GMT
And then Corbyn defends Shamima Begums right to apply for Legal Aid. That’s because under the rules surrounding legal aid she is fully entitled to it and to change the rules to prevent her getting it would cause massive harm to many more people who really do need it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 19:23:11 GMT
I really do not get is, she is married to a Dutchman. How can she claim revoking UK citizenship makes her stateless? Send her to Holland ffs, with her idiot husband.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 17, 2019 9:08:08 GMT
And then Corbyn defends Shamima Begums right to apply for Legal Aid. That’s because under the rules surrounding legal aid she is fully entitled to it and to change the rules to prevent her getting it would cause massive harm to many more people who really do need it. Which is the problem. We look at the case on an individual basis and tell her to do one. Yes, very Daily mail and simplistic and I'm sure a human rights lawyer would scoff at such rubbish but it adds no value to UK PLC therefore, like Brexit she should be kicked down the road.
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