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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 20, 2019 16:44:33 GMT
I think if the same question were asked again leave would win by a bigger margin. There's quite a lot of unsubstantiated claims about why people voted to leave, they're readily assumed to be racists and xenophobes taken in by propaganda. I think the problem is that until you understand why people voted for change then no real resolution can be reached.
I have no problem with that outcome. It would put the point to bed.
It most certainly wouldn't. Any re-confirmed vote to leave would still mean millions of frustrated and disenchanted Remainers who would loudly insist they are still right and want the process stopped. A vote to remain would result in howls of protest from millions who had seen their Brexit ambitions frustrated. Best of three perhaps?
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 20, 2019 17:43:43 GMT
Well we will have to disagree on that, because every Remainer I've spoken to agrees that if a second referendum gave the same answer as the first, then we would just have to live with it. It would be a case of taking horses to water but being unable to make them drink.
But that's because Remain is by and large a view held by pragmatic and non-ideological people. I'd lay a pretty large bet that most Remainers are not so much pro-Europeans as anti-Brexiters.
I'll leave others to draw contrasts with the Brexiteer mentality as regards howls of protest.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 20, 2019 17:45:26 GMT
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Post by Stuntman on Mar 20, 2019 20:16:24 GMT
Well we will have to disagree on that, because every Remainer I've spoken to agrees that if a second referendum gave the same answer as the first, then we would just have to live with it. It would be a case of taking horses to water but being unable to make them drink. But that's because Remain is by and large a view held by pragmatic and non-ideological people. I'd lay a pretty large bet that most Remainers are not so much pro-Europeans as anti-Brexiters. I'll leave others to draw contrasts with the Brexiteer mentality as regards howls of protest. Yep. I'm of the same view as Racing here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 7:26:37 GMT
Me too.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 10:31:22 GMT
So in a new development, overnight 700k people and counting have signed a petition to revoke Art.50. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584Keeps crashing under sheer weight of people trying to access it. Or the Tory Deep State trying to nix it...
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 21, 2019 10:33:22 GMT
Yep. I don’t think Remainers will be as bothered by a Brexit return in a second referendum as Brexiteers would be in the opposing scenario but the situation is different: Brexiteers have already “won” so it will feel like a VAR disallowed goal if they lose a second referendum whereas for Remainers it’s just affirmation that they are doomed.
For me the far greater issue (I’m a staunch Remainer) is the absolute shambles of debate on the deal, a lack of clarity as to what is wanted by the opposition, a lack of unity in the ruling party on what position to take and the childish side-taking regardless of common-sense thinking by a multitude of very senior MPs. We currently have possibly the worst PM ever seen facing possibly the worst opposition leader ever seen. They need a second referendum simply because they need the voters to do the job Parliament is paid vast sums to do on our behalf.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 21, 2019 10:33:51 GMT
So in a new development, overnight 700k people and counting have signed a petition to revoke Art.50. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584Keeps crashing under sheer weight of people trying to access it. Or the Tory Deep State trying to nix it... I signed
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 21, 2019 11:26:07 GMT
I'd back a second referendum if they only let those 12 years of age and under vote. Might get a sensible result then.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 13:58:19 GMT
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