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Post by racingteatray on Mar 4, 2019 12:16:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 12:18:52 GMT
Probably irrelevant for most, but I can't see that's slow enough to achieve the stated safety goal.
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Post by PG on Mar 4, 2019 12:32:59 GMT
Well that's Volvo dead in Germany then......
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Post by Boxer6 on Mar 4, 2019 14:14:51 GMT
Well that's Volvo dead in Germany then...... They might do better in Japan though!  |
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Post by Tim on Mar 4, 2019 15:57:55 GMT
That's not really going to help if some phone obsessed twat steps off a pavement in front of a Volvo that's doing 40 though is it?
Perhaps they should go the whole hog and stop selling cars at all and turn their showrooms into bus and rail ticket distribution centres?
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Post by alf on Mar 4, 2019 16:06:30 GMT
Yes, good luck selling them in German, as people have said. Where, driving to Nuremberg, the Dusseldorf, then back a couple of weekends ago, I discovered that people don't implode when travelling well above the UK speed limit.
I wonder if they describe this as a target or an aspiration? I'm insufficiently interested in Volvo to find out. If it's a target, they are idiots.... High speed transport (of all kinds) will kill some people for the foreseeable future, it's laudable to want to reduce that to zero, but setting it as a target for 2020 would be ridiculous.
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Post by Ben on Mar 4, 2019 16:32:14 GMT
Whenever I see this target of eliminating deaths in cars by 2020, I somehow think of this scenario where a giant object (like a container from a truck) falls on top of the car, and wonder how do you avoid being killed by that.
You can't. Some things are just unavoidable.
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 4, 2019 17:02:48 GMT
Suggest they take a look at how their XC90's are driven at 30mph rather then 180kph.
That's the sort of pointless shit that would stop me buying a Volvo. I don't want to be preached to
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 5, 2019 22:44:36 GMT
I had a Volvo as my last hire car.
I'm not in the market regardless of this shit.
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Post by scouse on Mar 6, 2019 0:13:13 GMT
I am in the market and will be replacing the merc with an XC60, but the f Volvo go through with this crap from 2020, it’ll be my last.
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Post by Alex on Mar 6, 2019 11:13:34 GMT
Does seem a bit pointless. If you really were going to take this argument seriously then surely they should actually be limited to 70mph in this country as there are no public roads where it is legal to drive faster. You could also save a lot of the engineering costs as surely it requires more work to ensure one of your models is able to work correctly at 155mph in terms of mechanical stress, aerodynamics etc than if you only have to get it to work at 70mph. I’ve never hit the top speed of any car I’ve ever owned and I imagine 99% of the rest of you are in the same boat so does it really matter? To my mind published top speeds are just a marketing figure anyway, even on supercars. I’ve not seen any actual proof that my Golf will do 127mph and I’ll never test it to find out if it does.
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Post by Nelson on Mar 6, 2019 11:41:05 GMT
That's their sales buggered. I wouldn't drive one in principle too. Lost all interest I had in an XC60 in a few years now
I'm out
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 6, 2019 11:45:57 GMT
Is this just Volvo jumping the gun on EU legislation anyway? All cars are going to be speed governed by GPS and/or road traffic sign recognition, with road pricing incorporated within that, flexible depending on time of travel? It will be impossible to exceed the speed limit.
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Post by Tim on Mar 6, 2019 13:33:44 GMT
It's completely random, 112mph isn't suddenly safe because that's all you can do.
I saw an XC90 being driven poorly this morning and it was in a 30 limit, which they weren't obeying......
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Post by grampa on Mar 6, 2019 13:44:52 GMT
"The move is motivated by the company's intention that no one should be killed or seriously injured in a new Volvo by that date, the Swedish car maker said."
I wonder how many road deaths are caused as a direct result of someone driving faster than 112 mph?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 6, 2019 14:21:09 GMT
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Post by Tim on Mar 6, 2019 14:47:01 GMT
Meanwhile 397,521 pedestrians and cyclists have been slaughtered by XC90 drivers unable to see that far down from the safety of their impregnable castle |
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Post by Alex on Mar 7, 2019 13:45:24 GMT
Meanwhile 397,521 pedestrians and cyclists have been slaughtered by XC90 drivers unable to see that far down from the safety of their impregnable castle Well the figure does only say that there have been no fatalities amongst people travelling in an XC90! |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Mar 8, 2019 8:31:22 GMT
I'm not sure I would refuse to buy one on some kind of principle. And I reckon someone will soon develop a software hack or update to remove the limiter. That said, anything over that speed is, generally, irrelevant for the vast majority of drivers and by any objective measure we really shouldn't need to even travel at 112mph. In years to come we will probably look back and be horrified that a family estate could manage 160+ mph
However, here and now, it is nice to get your boot down sometimes!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 8:45:54 GMT
As someone else stated elsewhere. This might create cost savings by not having to engineer a car to do 150mph when in reality only 1% of the population will do that.
Also driving above 110mph in an electric car is a killer on range.
So might be more about other aspects than safety.
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Post by Ben on Mar 21, 2019 7:41:53 GMT
Revisiting this after the latest development here: www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volvo-fit-driver-monitoring-systems-standard-early-2020sI think where we are now is that cars have moved from being aspirational products to simply being transport appliances. In the 20th century people wanted cars because they were cool and it represented freedom of mobility. Now cars are simply a device to get from one place to another, like buses and trains. Companies are simply adapting to that reality. Where it leaves us car enthusiasts, I dunno. I suppose there will be a divergence of sorts, between brands that will cater to those who still enjoy the purity of driving, and companies that will end up simply providing mobility options. Most will end up in the latter because that's where the profits are. For the vast majority of the population, things like these and the speed limiter are irrelevant, because it will never have an effect on them during their daily travel routine. As long as they get to where they need to go safely and on time, all the computer aids in the world will not matter a jot. I'm not saying I like any of these, but it's just the truth sadly. |
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 21, 2019 8:20:55 GMT
I'm not saying I like any of these, but it's just the truth sadly. I fear that you may well be right..... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 18:02:13 GMT
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Post by johnc on Mar 26, 2019 18:24:00 GMT
What a mind numbing world we are all going to be living in - unable to pass the prat who does 60 along every straight and 30mph round gentle corners. Without completely autonomous cars where you can get a book out or watch the TV, driving is going to be enormously infuriating and frustrating. Maybe i'll forget an M5 and get a Caterham. |
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 26, 2019 18:25:10 GMT
No, you need to get the M5 before the limiter has to be fitted to it !
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Post by Ben on Mar 26, 2019 19:12:15 GMT
Oh.
Well, that's a stupid idea.
There are circumstances where you need to go a bit faster, perhaps to avoid a dangerous situation. This has clearly been thought up by non-drivers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 19:57:45 GMT
Maybe when we leave the EU we won't have to take part...??
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Post by Tim on Mar 27, 2019 9:54:42 GMT
As the man from the RAC has pointed out it's INAPPROPRIATE speed that is often the problem and he queries whether people will just drive everywhere at the limit.
So if you're on a motorway in thick fog and its minus 10 degrees you'll still be able to do 70 and even now plenty of people don't appear to have the brain power to realise that's not a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 10:42:25 GMT
The price of second hand cars without might just go up when the limiters are activated/fitted/legislated. There are enough folk out there now who have no respect for road/weather/traffic states and they will continue. How will this affect new car sales? Positively? I think not so shooting the car companies will in effect be shooting the national revenue/interest in the head. Have government officials thought of this? When we leave the eu will we cut this kind of crap? This would of course require a decision and frankly I have seen little evidence of an ability to do that anywhere in British politics lately.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 27, 2019 10:45:35 GMT
As the man from the RAC has pointed out it's INAPPROPRIATE speed that is often the problem and he queries whether people will just drive everywhere at the limit. So if you're on a motorway in thick fog and its minus 10 degrees you'll still be able to do 70 and even now plenty of people don't appear to have the brain power to realise that's not a good idea. No you won't - the cars will all be networked and as soon as the overhead gantry signs come on to say, 50mph, all the limiters on the cars will kick in restricting them to 50 mph on that stretch of motorway. We've already got cars that use the sat nav to adjust their set up for bends etc so in the case of a stretch of single carriageway roads where there has been a number of accidents the authorities will just instruct all cars to slow down for that part of the road - say from 60mph down to 40mph. |
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