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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 11:14:27 GMT
So, what do we all think will happen this evening?
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 15, 2019 11:16:24 GMT
Comfortable defeat, I think - especially when one of the party whips said he wouldn't support her.
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Post by johnc on Jan 15, 2019 11:16:37 GMT
I think there will be a lot of last minute capitulation by those against the deal but I don't think it will be enough to win.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 11:20:42 GMT
I'd hazard a guess at either comfortable defeat - I'm not sensing capitulation by over 100 MPs - or the last point (that some of the amendments will get passed making the vote effectively moot).
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Post by Tim on Jan 15, 2019 11:23:06 GMT
I think it'll be a defeat but not a hammering, so enough to encourage her to keep going and for some of us to see a bit og light at the end of this very long tunnel.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 11:23:16 GMT
I think the "over 200" rumour has perhaps been a Tory campaign to try to ensure that anything less than that actually doesn't look as bad as it actually is (because it's under 200).
Remembering that anything over 166 makes it the biggest government defeat since Ramsay McDonald in 1924!
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Post by michael on Jan 15, 2019 11:56:35 GMT
I think it'll be a massive defeat.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 15, 2019 12:43:15 GMT
We’ve just had the same vote in the office.
I’m going with the acceptance of some of the amendments making the vote an utter waste of time.
In the office I’m going for a narrow win for May. When the MPs actually have to walk through the left door they are defining themselves as little islanders for the rest of their career. Fine for big guns like Boris and millionaires like Really-Smug but not for a backbencher.
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Post by Alex on Jan 15, 2019 13:22:20 GMT
Comfortable defeat but I think she’ll cling on to her job regardless of Corbyn’s threat of a vote of no confidence. This smacks of being exactly that, a threat.
It just gets more farcical by the day doesn’t it’s? They’re going to put the poor satirists out of a job at this rate.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 13:47:01 GMT
We’ve just had the same vote in the office. I’m going with the acceptance of some of the amendments making the vote an utter waste of time. Apparently, in a sensible move for a Labour Remainer, Benn's pulled the key one... |
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Post by PG on Jan 15, 2019 13:51:46 GMT
She will be defeated by over 100 votes, but quite a few who said they will vote against will capitulate at the last moment. This will give her just enough credibility to keep her job and go back to Brussels to demand more concessions.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 13:59:48 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 15, 2019 14:49:38 GMT
You have half the Tories voting against her along with every other member of parliament from the opposition parties.
Looks like over 200 to me.
A vote of no confidence, General Election more uncertainly, blah, blah, blah
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Post by johnc on Jan 15, 2019 17:03:21 GMT
If defeated, Mrs May could always revoke Article 50 and then resign, leaving it up to someone else to negotiate with the EU and possibly return to the nation for a second referendum. No matter which ways it goes, it is a pantomime on a grander scale than has ever been played out before.
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Post by Alex on Jan 15, 2019 19:44:26 GMT
Defeat by 230, that’s incredible and must surely be the end of May?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 19:46:33 GMT
BREAKING: PM’s Brexit deal rejected by the Commons - 432 to 202
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 19:46:49 GMT
WOW.
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Post by Alex on Jan 15, 2019 19:47:32 GMT
Corbyn has officially tabled his motion of no confidence that will be debated tomorrow.
What happens next? Anyone have any clue?
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Post by Martin on Jan 15, 2019 19:49:18 GMT
Bad times.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 15, 2019 19:50:20 GMT
There was a useful flowchart on the BBC News site. I can’t seem to find it now.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 15, 2019 19:53:02 GMT
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Post by johnc on Jan 15, 2019 19:58:00 GMT
After that defeat, I wonder how many Tories are going to vote the Government down in tomorrows motion? Obviously I know f* all so i'll just wait and see what further darkness the Politicians can impose on us without trying to guess.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 15, 2019 20:00:48 GMT
So what do I win! What a fucking shit heap this whole process is. Revoke Article 50. Pull out of this mess and put it behind us.
Worst case general election, Corbyn gets in and we all go to hell in a handbasket
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 20:11:46 GMT
So what do I win! What a fucking shit heap this whole process is. Revoke Article 50. Pull out of this mess and put it behind us. Worst case general election, Corbyn gets in and we all go to hell in a handbasket A day trip to St Jeremy's allotment?
Consensus in office, where I keep hearing people breaking into spontaneous laughter (I can't keep a straight face each time I see a news report at the moment either), is that the only good solution is indeed revoking article 50 and then going back to the people in some way.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 15, 2019 20:17:02 GMT
I do hope that is May’s parting shot - she is finished, surely?!
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 15, 2019 20:20:21 GMT
Trouble you have is that a no deal brexit won’t get through parliament, neither will going back for a second vote therefore there are no other options and we’re at stalemate.
May can go back to Brussels and ask for a better deal but if she came back with free Mercedes and claret for everyone for life it still wouldn’t get through as she has so little support.
If May stays we’re at deadlock which kind of suits me to be fair
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 15, 2019 20:30:29 GMT
I didn’t think she needed Parliament to revoke article 50. I can’t find the damn flowchart which had all the options. It has been removed from the page it was on this morning.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2019 20:33:50 GMT
No she doesn't.
She just needs not to be Theresa May I suspect.
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Post by Alex on Jan 15, 2019 20:54:51 GMT
A big part of me wishes she would stand down and hand the reigns to Corbyn and let him have a go seeing as he reckons he can do a better job. It would of course be a disaster but that’s no worse than the current situation. It annoys me that he keeps citing her incompetence when the simple fact is I probably do think she has done her best and this is the best a Brexit bill can be.
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Post by michael on Jan 15, 2019 20:59:30 GMT
You’ve got to split it with me! |
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