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Post by PG on Apr 24, 2017 17:19:01 GMT
My interpretation of what she wants ti use the Henry VIII clauses for is to allow any EU law that is lost by Brexit to be reinstated as UK law to avoid issues. So I don't think she wants to expand the law that way, but replace an EU law that says X with a UK law that says X.
Yes, agreed re civil liberties, but I don't think that is a right wing thing only. Most governments response to terror is more power to control and more power to look. I can't see the Lib Dems or Labour advocating less control over people either.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 24, 2017 19:28:47 GMT
My point with the H8 clauses is that power in politics, once obtained and exercised, is rarely then given up. I'm not entirely sure I buy the notion of May as Cincinnatus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:51:28 GMT
I think May has the right approach and has the demeanor of a leader, something Corbyn would not have if there was a course he could attend. as for the limp damp leader, I get the impression he is a failed teacher. No idea who is the ukip leader and could not give a rats chatiot either as they have achieved their goal. The greens? What? Another one policy party so irrelevant. The snp strike me as a group of people who just want to sit in a corner and talk about something or nothing thinking they are irrelevant to anyone but themselves. Rubbish mode off.
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Post by johnc on Apr 25, 2017 7:56:30 GMT
My point with the H8 clauses is that power in politics, once obtained and exercised, is rarely then given up. I'm not entirely sure I buy the notion of May as Cincinnatus. I agree Racing. However more and more of our legislation receives no review or scrutiny in Parliament (you can thank Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for introducing changes in legislation through Statutory Instruments which allows law to be made by Civil Servants under Government guidance which bypass Parliament).
Making Tax Digital (MTD) is a massive change which, in my opinion is being pushed through prematurely, with no regard for the warnings and will create massive problems leading to some businesses closing and potentially the meltdown of HMRC and the tax system. Calling the General Election means that these issues are even less likely to receive the scrutiny they need. The Treasury Select Committee who have been questioning HMRC, their logic, the cost implications, whether there will be any benefit etc, are now unlikely to get all their questions answered. My feeling is that the Government have effectively passed all decisions on tax policy to HMRC - it's a bit like asking the foxes to determine the best policy for dealing with the chickens. Already we are seeing a very aggressive stance on employment status, IR35 etc without due consideration of different working patterns, flexibility of the workforce or the consequences or implications to the economy as a whole - when they have finished we will have a system with far less flexibility, a skill shortage and in my opinion less tax take, all at the same time as we lose the flexibility of the EU workers who are in the UK. Having spent a week in the London area I have no idea where you will get your sandwich, coffee, pint, pub lunch, dinner, hotel services, cleaning etc from once the EU workers are gone. Even the guy I spoke to in an Omega Boutique was Polish!
The changes to the system, which have allowed Governments in power to side step Parliament have been happening for the last 20 years and I think they are all as bad as each other: proper Parliamentary scrutiny is no longer important to a Politician. It's all about the power to do as they wish.
I might vote Liberal or I might vote Tory but despite the issues I can't see anyone other than the Tories being able to carry through with Brexit. I don't want it any more than you do but unfortunately that's what we have!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 25, 2017 8:08:08 GMT
Caught Nicola Sturgeon's speech last night, basically; "Torys, Torys, Torys, Scotland, Torys, Torys, Independence, Independence, Torys, Torys, Torys, Independence, Torys, Scotland, Independence, Torys, Torys" Fuck off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 8:46:57 GMT
You managed to listen for that long?
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Post by johnc on Apr 25, 2017 8:54:09 GMT
You managed to listen for that long? When someone only has one topic of conversation it does become very tiring. Like the bore at the party I am hoping that people will begin to drift away, disinterested at having heard the same stuff over and over again.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 25, 2017 11:37:00 GMT
Mind you it worked for the Brexit wing of the Tory party. Took them forty fucking years but they got there.
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Post by Tim on Apr 25, 2017 11:39:09 GMT
I'm trying to avoid as much of the speeches as possible.
We got some Tory pamphlet through the door yesterday and the thrust of their argument appears to be "Don't vote SNP". It's a common enough sentiment but I'm probably quite weird in wanting to be told what they're offering in return.
It's not meant to be about personalities......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:39:34 GMT
Have you ever typed the word 'fucking' here before, Jonny? That really does show the strength of your convictions.
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Post by johnc on Apr 25, 2017 12:33:54 GMT
Mind you it worked for the Brexit wing of the Tory party. Took them forty fucking years but they got there. Exactly, but unlike those who have spent a lifetime undermining being part of Europe and embracing the good and dealing with the bad without any hesitation or limitation, those of us who believe Brexit is still a stupid idea simply have to accept it, get behind it and move on to do otherwise is somehow to be a 5th columnist. It stinks. My feelings too. If we remain in two camps we are almost guaranteeing disaster. We have to pull together.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 25, 2017 15:02:58 GMT
The best analogy I have seen is this:
A majority of us voted to jump off the cliff because we were told in no uncertain terms that (a) there was a huge safety net at the bottom that would cushion our fall and (b) life at the bottom of the cliff was much more wonderful than life at the top of it.
After the vote was passed, we all subsequently learned that in fact (a) there was no such safety net and (b) nobody really had any idea what life at the bottom of the cliff might be like.
However, since a majority decided to jump, we are all just going to bloody well do it no matter what and make the best of it by jerry-rigging some home-made parachutes in the hope that (a) we will reach the bottom of the cliff alive and (b) life at the bottom of the cliff might at least not be any worse than life at the top.
That's a whole heap of big fat WTF.
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Post by Tim on Apr 25, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
That's a whole heap of big fat WTF.
I've now got a picture in my head that Racing is actually a portly coloured lady and has a habit of wagging his finger whilst saying "Oh no you ditn't"
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 25, 2017 16:45:00 GMT
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Post by Stuntman on Apr 25, 2017 21:24:02 GMT
Have you ever typed the word 'fucking' here before, Jonny? That really does show the strength of your convictions. I read that and thought the same. The lawyerly back has very much been put up. Tories, take heed and beware!
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 26, 2017 10:21:37 GMT
Have you ever typed the word 'fucking' here before, Jonny? That really does show the strength of your convictions. To be fair "here" technically speaking hasn't been around all that long....
But, pedantry aside, you may have a point! I hope Brexit succeeds if we go ahead with it but that doesn't mean I will ever condone it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 12:48:01 GMT
I think appropriate and measured swearing is both cathartic and therapeutic. It's something we're encouraged to grow out of completely, but it'll be a fucking cold day in Hell before I ever do!
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 26, 2017 13:45:12 GMT
I swear relatively freely out in the real world, much to my wife's dismay. It's more that writing is generally a more measured act (a particular habit if you are a lawyer) and so the swearing tends to get edited out, unless actively added for deliberate emphasis. As above...
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 26, 2017 15:29:20 GMT
I think appropriate and measured swearing is both cathartic and therapeutic. It's something we're encouraged to grow out of completely, but it'll be a fucking cold day in Hell before I ever do! Well, my late step-father never ever swore in all the years (37) I knew him apart from in the final months of his demise (Alzheimers) when he used the kind of language I associated with my dad, who had been taught how to swear by HMRN. So his inverse use of swearing probably proves the point of growing out of it.
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Post by Tim on Apr 28, 2017 10:31:51 GMT
I had to turn the radio off this morning. They were speaking to the housing minister about the shortfall on the annual requirement for new households.
Firstly he told us that they'd inherited a shortfall from Labour in 2010 - GET OVER IT ARSEHOLES! They've been in power for 6 1/2 years since then, when are they going to stop blaming other people?
Secondly he shoehorned in that already irritating phrase "Strong and Stable". I don't want to hear that anymore, I find it patronising.
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 28, 2017 10:56:39 GMT
I had to turn the radio off this morning. They were speaking to the housing minister about the shortfall on the annual requirement for new households. Firstly he told us that they'd inherited a shortfall from Labour in 2010 - GET OVER IT ARSEHOLES! They've been in power for 6 1/2 years since then, when are they going to stop blaming other people? Secondly he shoehorned in that already irritating phrase "Strong and Stable". I don't want to hear that anymore, I find it patronising. Not to mention a crock of shit!
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Post by michael on Apr 28, 2017 18:45:06 GMT
I had to turn the radio off this morning. They were speaking to the housing minister about the shortfall on the annual requirement for new households. Firstly he told us that they'd inherited a shortfall from Labour in 2010 - GET OVER IT ARSEHOLES! They've been in power for 6 1/2 years since then, when are they going to stop blaming other people? Secondly he shoehorned in that already irritating phrase "Strong and Stable". I don't want to hear that anymore, I find it patronising. Strong and stable leadership goes well on the All Things Bright and Beautiful tune. Sorry about that.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 29, 2017 5:47:53 GMT
Hahaha.
All nonsense great and small...
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Post by garry on May 2, 2017 11:02:51 GMT
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Post by michael on May 2, 2017 11:13:34 GMT
She's on the Daily Politics now, you could almost feel sorry for her.
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Post by grampa on May 2, 2017 11:49:40 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 2, 2017 12:00:25 GMT
To be fair to Diane Abbott (never thought I'd type that...) she has acknowledged the error. In the meantime Darth May continues to peddle this fantasist world of 'Brexit Island' without the slightest understanding she may be just be spouting utter cobblers. To be fair to Theresa May she has inherited a situation where she has been given a mandate by the people and now she's expected to carry it out and get the best deal she can. What is certain is that if the Labour Party, Abbott and her old boyfriend Corbyn, had actively got off their arses and campaigned for the Remain campaign it would have been enough to swing it that way. Instead they were both shit scared of supporting something that wasn't popular with their core base that they pulled the duvet over their heads and hoped for the best.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 2, 2017 12:35:30 GMT
May was certainly muted in her support of Cameron but her views on Europe and Remain were clear.
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Post by racingteatray on May 2, 2017 12:38:37 GMT
Good use of the past tense.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 16:31:28 GMT
Dianne Abbots train crash interview on police numbers and funding will not exactly have helped Labours position. Funny as Fuck to listen to though.
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