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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 8:18:35 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 24, 2018 8:31:34 GMT
Yep but I guess for a new model there aren't many names left on the shelf that haven't been used already and doesn't translate to pigs cock in Chinese.
However if it looks like the Concept, where do I sign, its a stunning bit of design. I was worried the production model would be more like that Vison E Turismo thing which was a bit of a pig.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 24, 2018 8:43:31 GMT
You get used to names - I thought Boxster was pretty wank when I first heard it. Cayman too, come to think of it - fine if you actually were a gay man and wanted to highlight it to other drivers, but perhaps less so if you weren't.
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Post by Martin on Oct 24, 2018 8:51:41 GMT
Not really bothered by the name, but really interested in how it turns out, both styling and range. The 800V charging system sounds great, 400km range in 15mins, if that sort of infrastructure was widely available then it would transform the usability of electric cars.
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Post by Tim on Oct 24, 2018 9:44:28 GMT
It's an awkward name to say.
I don't feel the love for the actual car although maybe it'll be better in any colour other than white.
Would people be so excited if it had a Kia badge, for example?
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Post by michael on Oct 24, 2018 10:19:54 GMT
Are we pronouncing it Taken?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 11:30:12 GMT
Perhaps, Taken away and got shot of? I wonder what the common name will be.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 24, 2018 12:25:46 GMT
It's an awkward name to say. I don't feel the love for the actual car although maybe it'll be better in any colour other than white. Would people be so excited if it had a Kia badge, for example? Glad it's not just me then. |
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Post by johnc on Oct 24, 2018 12:34:29 GMT
The bit I find funny is "it will be positioned between the £55,965 Cayenne and £67,898 Panamera". Presumably that's without the optional motor. I reckon it will be £90K all day long by the time you've added a few essentials like seats.
I reckon the name will be pronounced like an Australian would say Toucan. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 24, 2018 12:34:57 GMT
It's an awkward name to say. I don't feel the love for the actual car although maybe it'll be better in any colour other than white. Would people be so excited if it had a Kia badge, for example?To right they would be - it looks great. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 24, 2018 12:57:44 GMT
It's an awkward name to say. I don't feel the love for the actual car although maybe it'll be better in any colour other than white. Would people be so excited if it had a Kia badge, for example?To right they would be - it looks great.
Not sure about that. If you look all the way through the photos in the Autocar story the car, assuming it is the real thing that's got a minor disguise, looks like an evolution of the Panamera styling with a less hatch or coupe type rear end and a fairly standard Porsche front end. There also appears to be a high-riding one, the last group of photos taken in the snow and then the final picture is a rendering of something sleek and low (the original car from Porsche's releases of drawings/renderings) and is significantly different from the pictures you'll have just looked through.
I also get the impression its going to be pretty huge, presumably Panamera sized?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 12:58:54 GMT
Yep but I guess for a new model there aren't many names left on the shelf that haven't been used already and doesn't translate to pigs cock in Chinese. However if it looks like the Concept, where do I sign, its a stunning bit of design. I was worried the production model would be more like that Mission E Turismo thing which was a bit of a pig. As those production line 'photos' are just computer drawings your fears may yet be realised. The test mules don't look as though they're concealing a sleek looking vehicle like the ones being made in those imaginary pictures. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 13:04:47 GMT
Oh and I hope they get Liam Neeson to appear in the TV adverts!
I will find you and I will kill you. Just as long as you're not more than 275 miles away on the WLTP cycle, otherwise you'll have to give me a bit more time to catch up with you.
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Post by Tim on Oct 24, 2018 13:10:53 GMT
Oh and I hope they get Liam Neeson to appear in the TV adverts! I will find you and I will kill you. Just as long as you're not more than 275 miles away on the WLTP cycle, otherwise you'll have to give me a bit more time to catch up with you.
So long as Neeson makes it clear he will drive with extreme consideration, stop for errant pedestrians and in no way use the available performance of the car (with the exception of the range) to get to you to carry out his threat 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 22:18:20 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 29, 2018 13:41:42 GMT
Perhaps, Taken away and got shot of? I wonder what the common name will be. Toucan |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 9:56:45 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 26, 2019 20:36:11 GMT
Looks like a cross between a fancy washing machine and a 918. Way too much going on for my liking. Why the hell do you need so many screens
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Post by PG on Aug 27, 2019 12:40:49 GMT
What on earth is that screen in front of the passenger for? Will you need a co-pilot?
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Post by Martin on Aug 28, 2019 7:41:08 GMT
Sounds like it will be rather good. It has best ride of any Porsche, steering that’s closer to a 911 than a Panamera and is the best electric car Frankel has driven “by a mile”. Add to that the expected performance and range, it just need the infrastructure to catch up with how quick it can be charged. link |
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Post by johnc on Aug 28, 2019 8:06:28 GMT
Sounds like it will be rather good. It has best ride of any Porsche, steering that’s closer to a 911 than a Panamera and is the best electric car Frankel has driven “by a mile”. Add to that the expected performance and range, it just need the infrastructure to catch up with how quick it can be charged. linkI've never doubted that it would be great. What worries me is the likely price and the potential for the base car to start north of 6 figures! |
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Post by Tim on Aug 28, 2019 8:16:38 GMT
Didn't the initial drive in CAR not suggest the price may start around £50k for 600BHP?
I took that with a pinch of salt since 1) it was written by Georg Kacher who will never criticise anything German and 2) there's no way Porsche are ever going to offer something that could be perceived as a bargain, they know how to charge a healthy sum!
Perhaps they would do it for £50k with the electric equivalent of a 1 litre turbo triple but then that's not an area of the market they're in.
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 28, 2019 8:27:35 GMT
I assume its model S size rather then Tesla 3?
Its a Porsche, therefore there's a premium over Tesla, Jag and Audi, got to be 100 grand hasn't it?
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Post by Martin on Aug 28, 2019 8:53:14 GMT
It’s sub Panamera size, so slightly bigger than a Model 3? I think the launch models (Turbo / Turbo S) will be priced above £100k. Maybe the 4S will be £70-80k.
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Post by michael on Aug 28, 2019 9:23:43 GMT
If the Jaguar is 70-80 this has to be 100k. It looks a more complete product and compared to that and the Audi it has to command a premium. Can we assume that Tesla is finished?
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Post by Martin on Aug 28, 2019 9:31:10 GMT
The X and S will struggle, but the model 3 should do OK as it’s pitched at a more affordable price point than the Jaguar/Mercedes/Audi.
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Post by Tim on Aug 28, 2019 10:31:57 GMT
In addition I suspect that a lot of the relatively early adopters aren't necessarily car people and won't really pay extra just for a Porsche badge.
Remember as well that there are actually some people who are interested in cars that have no desire at all for a Porsche.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 28, 2019 10:47:26 GMT
If the Jaguar is 70-80 this has to be 100k. It looks a more complete product and compared to that and the Audi it has to command a premium. Can we assume that Tesla is finished? I doubt it - they are just opening two of the biggest factories on Earth. Everyone else is still playing catch up. It's a bit like when the Apple iPhone of came out and "experts" queried whether people would really give up their Blackberrys and Nokias, two companies with a long track record of building phones, for something from a company with no experience in the field. Electric vehicles have really levelled the brand field - with internal combustion vehicles people, especially in Europe, are very snobbish and new entrants find it hard to break the German stranglehold in the premium sector. With BEVs people are more driven by the technology so Tesla didn't face those barriers to the same degree. It's why you find companies like Dyson looking at BEVs when they would never consider IC vehicles. |
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Post by michael on Aug 28, 2019 11:44:46 GMT
If the Jaguar is 70-80 this has to be 100k. It looks a more complete product and compared to that and the Audi it has to command a premium. Can we assume that Tesla is finished? I doubt it - they are just opening two of the biggest factories on Earth. Everyone else is still playing catch up. It's a bit like when the Apple iPhone of came out and "experts" queried whether people would really give up their Blackberrys and Nokias, two companies with a long track record of building phones, for something from a company with no experience in the field. Electric vehicles have really levelled the brand field - with internal combustion vehicles people, especially in Europe, are very snobbish and new entrants find it hard to break the German stranglehold in the premium sector. With BEVs people are more driven by the technology so Tesla didn't face those barriers to the same degree. It's why you find companies like Dyson looking at BEVs when they would never consider IC vehicles. I think you're comparing Apples and Teslas. The difference was the iPhone was an innovative product that changed the market and had an audience already unmeshed into it's platform through prior iPod use and so on. Compared to the competition the iPhone looked like the future. Compared to this Porsche the Tesla looks like the past.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 28, 2019 11:48:49 GMT
I doubt it - they are just opening two of the biggest factories on Earth. Everyone else is still playing catch up. It's a bit like when the Apple iPhone of came out and "experts" queried whether people would really give up their Blackberrys and Nokias, two companies with a long track record of building phones, for something from a company with no experience in the field. Electric vehicles have really levelled the brand field - with internal combustion vehicles people, especially in Europe, are very snobbish and new entrants find it hard to break the German stranglehold in the premium sector. With BEVs people are more driven by the technology so Tesla didn't face those barriers to the same degree. It's why you find companies like Dyson looking at BEVs when they would never consider IC vehicles. I think you're comparing Apples and Teslas. The difference was the iPhone was an innovative product that changed the market and had an audience already unmeshed into it's platform through prior iPod use and so on. Compared to the competition the iPhone looked like the future. Compared to this Porsche the Tesla looks like the past.
That'll be Tesla then. Tick. Comparing a £120k sports car which will sell in small numbers to a £35k mass produced vehicle which is changing the way the world moves and Tesla is the the past? www.tesla.com/en_GB/gigafactory |
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